Poor Widow… Anti-fun hero makes the game into a 5v6 either for her team if she’s bad or the enemy team if she’s good and is in every QP game. I wish she WAS useless so I didn’t have to deal with her anymore.
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With all due respect, I can’t take this seriously without any data to back this statement.
Wait… how is Brigitte a threat to Widowmaker - a sniper? Brigitte is a melee hero.
Hanzo’s arrows are affected by gravity and Brigitte’s healing comes from a burst of HP or from her attacking enemies. If you were talking about someone like Ana or Mercy, then this argument would make more sense.
Citation needed.
I think it’s now very clear that you’re putting your emotions in front of critical thinking.
I know what you mean with all the barriers sometimes she can feel useless but it’s more needing those barriers than buffing widow
Widowmaker 2nd strongest DPS at the moment.
Change my mind.
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Post invalidated by thinking Junkrat does not require aiming.
OWL is a bubble that does not translate to ladder play. You can’t disengage like you can in OWL, because teams literally tailor their plays around how other pro players operate, exactly like modern-day American football.
4% of the playerbase does not mean she’s a “solid option”.
Top 5 is an arbitrary metric considering only 4 DPS characters have ever been considered meta B-Tier or higher, in the history of Competitive, ever.
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Soldier, Tracer, Genji, McCree.
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Pharah has teetered on off-meta status repeatedly, Reaper was only meta briefly during S2-S3, Hanzo is only becoming meta this season. Doomfist, Sombra, Mei, Bastion, have never been meta.
Oh wow, Widow’s on top of the garbage pile… She’s always been on top of the garbage pile.
- Also, McCree is currently the second worst DPS, statistically. Widow is losing to him? That’s evident of a problem.
And not indicative of “meta viability” by itself, especially when you consider that her averages have almost never changed any significant amount.
Almost like lower ranks pull down her stats because they can’t get as much value out of her that higher level players can
But I mean being the 2nd best DPS option isn’t meta enough for you?
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we Don’t play the same game lol
omg does Blizzard even play Brig?? She is in dire need of buffs. Her weak weapon only does 35 damage per hit. Her healing? omg so low. Blizz pls buff now
this is sarcasm
Agree. Although it’s not so much that Widow is bad in Gold that I’d advise against it, it’s that your own team will likely throw and make things intentionally more difficult for you. That can in turn make it feel a lot harder than it should.
If you’re lucky enough to get a team that supports you, playing Widow can be the easiest and strongest hero in the game.
She’s not meta.
Players flock to the team comps that face the least resistance… Widow is away from the objective so there’s no one for Brigitte to stun, but that doesn’t mean that she’s meta.
All heroes that were previously A and B-Tier DPS picks, finally have a hard counter. They’ve all been demoted down to C-Tier. Widow didn’t change.
She’s still in C-Tier. She’s exactly where she left off at S9. There’s absolutely nothing different about this season than previous season in regards to her performance, people are just shifting around their hero picks this season because no two people can agree on which team comp is currently meta.
People are continually overvaluing her performance and value because of a sudden fluctuation in usage, just as they’ve always done.
Winston and D.Va still hardcounter her. Barriers still counter her. She’s still as weak as she has ever been, but people don’t run her hardcounters anymore because of hivemindedness and a new meta learning period.
Once people figure out how to deal with Brigitte/crowd control, she’ll go right back into obscurity. Again. For the 3rd time.
Dive doesn’t work anymore thanks to Brigitte, hence making Hanzo and Widow absolutely strong. Both of them also burst through amor, which is why they’re currently dominating.
Did you try not being bad with her?
Maybe you need to understand what “strength” entails.
- if Widow could only lift 100 pounds, and she can’t lift anymore…
- if Soldier/Tracer/Genji/McCree could always lift 150+ pounds…
- and they suddenly suffer a sickness that makes them only able to lift 100 pounds
That doesn’t mean that Widow is strong. She is still as weak as she has ever been. She’s still plagued with the same issues as she’s had, since ever… Everyone else has just been made weaker.
Additionally;
- if Hanzo suddenly bulked up, where he previously could only lift 100 pounds but can now lift 150+ pounds in short bursts, and can lift 110 pounds by default without those short bursts…
That’s a reason to call him strong. He was stronger than yesterday’s Hanzo.
She’s strong because the meta makes her strong.
Just like Genji was strong because dive enabled him to do his stuff.
So yes, she is strong now. Overwatch isn’t all about single character stats. It’s about synergy and teamwork. And that’s exactly the kind of synergy where Widow shines.
godlike aim here. the only good thing about constantly popping heads and having the least amount of kills on your team (because lol you have a toy gun) is that all the constant dinks are soooo satisfying. that said… if you care at all about winning, playing widow is miserable rn even in the low ranks.
This is literally the only thread I’ve seen in a LONG time asking the devs to help widow.
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I don’t get it. A good Widow brings so much value to a team and even in this armor heavy meta, her weapon will melt enemies faster than most of the other DPS heroes. Sure you aren’t doing 1hitkills but dammit, shoot them again and just finish them off.
Barriers stink, sure but that is why we need a second dps (and the rest of the team) to melt that for you. Actually, Hanzo and Junkrat are great at breaking barriers right now, run with either of them and you should have some clear shots.
In the end though, it sounds like you are just blaming one hero’s effect on your role as Widowmaker. If you think you aren’t getting value on her then it might be time to swap. Symmetra has to consider that every time Winston shows up. Junkrat thinks about it when Pharah shows up. Reinhardt has to think about it when Hanzo shows up. I think Brigitte should be afraid of you (get yourself a mercy, stop being so shy) but if the extra armor is making it tough on you then that is perfectly fine! Every hero needs to contribute to the team and that is/was Brig’s big selling point.
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Citation needed.
And these are just my threads about it… nevermind anyone else’s… and they were just for bugfixes, before even talking about balance.
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She’s a high skill-ceiling high skill-cap character. She’s always going to be bad in lower tiers with lower skilled players where the majority of the playerbase sits. She’s a complete monster in the hands of a good player. She’s balanced around one-shotting people from distances where she can’t be touched which is a stupidly oppressive playstyle. She forces teams to change their entire playstyle to either work with her or against her. She’s “fine” in the sense that it takes skill to land shots as her, but a good widow is a total fun-killer to go against and a widow who can’t get those insta-gibs from across the map is deadweight to her team.
Leave her where she is, or rework her to make her kit not so binary. I’m gonna guess you’d prefer the first. Having a sniper instantly taking out targets from across the map by clicking on their heads goes completely against the team-fight based style of Overwatch’s gameplay. If they ever introduce bans to this game you can bet I’m never letting her be played.
Ok you might be lost.
No way does a widow right now match with a hanzo. Hanzo can do so much more and much easier