Now that GOATS is done for revert the Armor nerfs

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Well, imagine if they halved arrow damage vs armor and barriers.

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Her gun increased a huge amount of damage against armor though.

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Is Hanzo really all that good against barriers? I guess Storm Arrow dumped into a shield does do 420 damage to it… from any range… ok you might have a point, that’s pretty close to 50% or more of the HP of any barrier not belonging to Reinhardt.

I don’t know if his primary needs a nerf vs barriers though. Yeah it does 125 damage, but he can only shoot 1 arrow every… 1.3 seconds, which doesn’t really come out as a very high DPS number.

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Even before role queue, the armor nerf is outdated and pointless. Should be reverted ASAP.

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Theory math in a vacuum is much less important than the actual application in game. Reinhardt and Winston both die more than Orisa because their positioning is significantly more dangerous. This means they are actually taking damage to their armor more often, with only their barrier to self protect it.

In addition to her barrier, Orisa has fortify and plays from a safer distance. Not only does the enemy approach her less often to even start hitting the armor in the first place, but when they do she can cut their damage in half to protect her armor from being depleted.

So while more of her hp is in armor, she’s much less reliant on it for self defense. Mitigating the impact of the armor nerf on her to the point she comes out on top of Rein and Winston.

And that’s not even taking into account her gun.

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I said Barriers. Winston’s back isn’t a barrier :stuck_out_tongue:

Though… I did not know that Hanzo had a bit of an animation cancel with his primary and Storm Arrows and the fact that he can kill Winston that quick with zero headshots is kinda crazy.

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No.

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Ya i really hope they do that. I am sick of melting to spamzo all the time.

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You forgot to say buff Junkrat :smirk:

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Well, I made this thread.

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This itself is also “Theory math in a vacuum”!

The nerf to armor IS NOT what has put Orisa “on top”. It’s the shift from GOATS to “Pointy-clicky” sniper Bunker comp in the top tiers that has resulted from nerfs to other characters. eg: speed boost reduction to Lucio (both passive and amped) from March, Many nerfs to D.va, Many nerfs to Brig

Orisa-Hog have ALWAYS had this potential to synergize this well with eachother. If those nerfs to other characters hadn’t gone through, and these armor changes did go through… Guess what? - GOATS would still be Meta and Orisa would still be F-tier

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no thanks lets not make hammond useless again against armored heros

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I presented no math at all, nor did I talk about her overall balance state. I talked about her playstyle and the impact one particular nerf had on her versus other main tanks.

In actual practice Orisa was harmed less than Rein and Winston by the nerf.

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For Hammond, the change only affects headshots.

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and??? dont tell me u dont always aim for the head when playing [insert X hero here except ana/roadhog/melee heros]

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And unless you’re actually hitting the head, doesn’t impact Hammond that much.

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buddy pls if u play higher elos u always try to hit the head. especially on tanks since its so easy to headshot them with hammond

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Everybody tries, not many actually do.

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even if they “try” its still missed damage. and its huge for hammond in particular so lets leave it as it is and not make him dumpster tier again. plus we dont need unstopable tank meta again so lets leave it as it is and we tanks have to adapt to it :sunny:

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