ad hominem much?
except it isnt
quoting from the report screen in Overwatch
the standard that pros and streamers are held to are different from rank n file players
you can talk about what you think the rules should be all you want
there is far less to discuss about what the rules are, however
thats correct, because there is no argument - thats perfectly legit
I say so because every player has a right to play whatever character they want from among those available. That means in turn that all 6 character could choose DPS, and thatâd be perfectly within the rules
Is it optimal in terms of winning? Probably not, though I have seen 6 DPS teams win
There is a difference between what a player would prefer (a well balanced and synched team) and what is permissible (any combination of any 6 characters)
I think a lot of players confuse the two
Suppose youâre playing in magical OW Christmas-land, and you queue up with 2 tank mains, 2 support mains, and you play DPS. Who would you rather your 6th player be? Someone who has 100 hours on widow, and 900 hours split between a bunch of tank/support chars, or someone who has 1000 hours on widowmaker? I know who Iâd choose.
Competitive mode isnât about helping your teammates, itâs not about getting 2-2-2 comp every time, itâs about being the best. Youâre not going to get top500 on widow flexing to support 80% of your games.
And if you donât like that, use LFG! Itâs a great tool and it solves all of these problems.
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Gameplay sabotage is a bit nebulously defined. One person picking a stupid hero is technically legal, but a group that bring an entire bad comp is doing something worse. At that point, it seems very likely a premeditated attempt to mess with people or lose, i.e. trolling or throwing, not just a bunch of people making individual bad decisions.
I mean there is no way a 4-5 stack that comes in all DPS is doing anything but deliberately trying to lose the game.
And I donât know why youâre defending this unless you throw games in this manner.
There is no technical about it
Its legal
period
and yet, this too is legal
and again, perfectly legit despite you feeling personally conspired against
and youâd be wrong. Plenty of other possibilities
unless you are reading their minds?
Nah, I like good teams, and I like to win
What I like and what I want are not the same as what the rules allow, though
To answer your implied question: I am defending the rules
Sorry to burst your bubble, but
Behavior that intentionally detracts from othersâ enjoyment (such as griefing, throwing, feeding, etc.) is unacceptable. We expect our players to treat each other with respect and promote an enjoyable environment. Acceptable behavior is determined by player reports and Blizzardâs decision, and violating these guidelines will result in account and gameplay restrictions.
Everything is bannable. Even a false report can still follow the insanely subjective CoC.
At worst people can just lie and say someone âdeters from their funâ and they canât be proven liars.
It is not, Iâve been warned several times on alt accounts for one tricking. Not swapping is gameplay sabotage. You can quote the game as much as you want, itâs still sabotaging the game. Maybe you donât think it is because youâre too low of an elo to actually see this stuff in effect? not trying to elo-shame but really, not swapping will get you a suspension above 3.5k eventually.
It is legal, but if this person is feeding and doing things that are massively negative for the team, it is game play sabotage regardless of what your little report disclaimer tells you. Also Iâd advise you to do more research Mega, youâre absolutely clueless. Youâre literally spewing non-sense when there are countless instances in which that disclaimer is straight up out-dated. Dafran being warned wasnât because heâs a streamer, it was because he was throwing by playing torb at GM+ some of the time because of the way the game works. Redshell being warned to have more hours on another hero other than lucio isnât a coincidence. Sinatraa even said it himself gameplay sabotage IS when you are not swapping heroes when you need to/are feeding heavily. Several examples in this age of the internet exist, yet here you are spewing bs.
your source is older material, and in any case, Blizzard has set rules for what is reportable by players and what is not
they are expecting players to report correctly
in actuality, they are not
Blizzard makes a bad situation worse by not enforcing their own rules correctly, or sometimes, at all
so âmy bubbleâ? Not burst. Not even close.
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and yes I hit low. Iâm tired of megaâs âthe game says thisâ statements. I highly doubt your credibility when all youâve said is âBLIZZARD DISCLAIMER OMG IT SAYS THIS.â
ALSO QUICK EDIT
IT LITERALLY SAYS IN THEIR TOS THAT THEY âCAN AND WILL BAN PEOPLE FOR ANY REASON THEY SEE FIT REGARDLESS OF IN-GAME DISCLAIMERS . GAME-MASTERS HAVE THE FINAL SAYâ
Youâre not wrong. You just donât understand that as long as that vague CoC is there, Blizzard can always cite it to not have to defend the problems with the system (which they do a lot).
The CoC is the problem.
we can go back and forth all you want
They are indeed held to a different standard
Since one tricking is not one of the reportable categories, no, you werenât.
No, it isnât. this is explicitly laid out for you on the screen where you report someone for gameplay sabotage
You can keep living in your fantasyland where the rules are set by you, but the rules in the real world have been set by the game owner/producer/creator/publisher.
Well if I say to someone âno offense - but youâre fat, ugly, stupid, smelly, and everyone hates youâ offense is still given. So yes, youâre rank shaming, tho I have no shame over my rank.
One can understand the rules of the game perfectly and yet have terrible game sense and/or mechanical skill. Understanding the rules and oneâs SR have very little if any connection.
Can one be banned for not swapping? Absolutely, but it will be due to false reports in every case.
My credibility is irrelevant
What is relevant is Blizzards authority
I am pointing out Blizzards rules
are you doubting Blizzards authority here?
if so, you may want to find yourself a different game from a different company, one whose authority you accept
Also you have no idea how the report system works if youâre under 3.5k. So donât talk about it. All you know is you can be chat muted. Youâve never seen anything first-hand. Not swapping is throwing, throwing is gameplay sabotage. If you donât believe that I cannot help you, youâre already far gone. I honestly donât wanna hit low but really, you sound like a dude that claims theyâre plat because of their team-mates. If youâre tracer, and the enemy team is entirely tracer-counters, not swapping and feeding is throwing which is reportable, and has been stated by blizzard AND Jeff Kaplan several times. Good day, and I hope you can somehow be more intelligent in the future with stating actual evidence rather than spewing your opinion with no facts except an out-dated disclaimer. Go to sleep its past your bed-time.
Ill gladly take my silence to shush you.
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And note this before I close this tab, Game masters have the final say. And Google is your friend. have a good one Mega. Sorry for the elo-shame, but your opinion is irrelevant to me if youâre under 3.5k talking about how ranked works.
My rank is irrelevant to the matter of the rules and the reporting system
Every rank has access to and and is affected by the same reporting system
Nah
this is a discussion board
I am discussing
Thats all I know? Wow.
No sir, like any player, I dont know precisely how the system works, since that is held close to the vest by Blizzard (as they should) but I know considerably more than that
also wrong
not according to Blizzard.
Its very explicit, right to the point, no wiggle room
quoting from the report screen in Overwatch
no belief required, its been spelled out for all of us by Blizzard
their games, their rules
my understanding of the reporting system has nothing to do with my rank in the game. The two are unrelated.
except its not
More ad hominem.
Wow.
but that asideâŚNah.
You want to keep living in your dream world where the rules are made up to suit you, {shrug}, you should probably go design a game for yourself that employs the rules you prefer - or barring that, find a game that is at least closer to your ideal
thats pretty ridiculous, but also irrelevant, as we are not discussing rank here, we are discussing (or some of us are trying to, rather) the rules and the reporting system, which apply to all levels of play
Are you trying to say that there is more false reporting based on not swapping at SR 3500 and above? If so, sure, that may well be true.
Personally, I love playing in strange/off-meta comps. Everyone usually plays their best hero so itâs rare they do poorly. Maybe itâs just me though.
Come to think of it, itâs probably just me. Mercy works great with 3+ dps comps, and sheâs my main 
Iâd rather get kicked in the balls than play tank in competitive. Or support for that matter. They are both the most obnoxious roles Iâve ever ever had the displeasure of playing. Telling me Iâm potentially throwing because Iâm not playing a role that legitimately causes me undue stress, rage and frustration is beyond me.
Else: keep in mind that many of these players who want someone other than themselves to switch are doing so because the world revolves around them
Ie your enjoyment be damned, all that matters is theirs; and their enjoyment is enhanced if someone else handles the roles they dont want to handle themselves
Honestly, it doesnât matter. Iâm not good at the game and I wonât pretend to be by fulfilling someone elseâs ego and playing tank/support. To my own detriment, in nearly EVERY case. I tried for a year to get good at my mechanical ability to NO EFFECT, all the tanks are these huge targets that get knocked around all game, and playing support is less about healing and more about trying your damndest not to get 1-clipped by tracer or obliterated by genji. Itâs not fun, and I will never play those roles again.
I will always swap to an unfilled role but I wont expect anyone else to do the same. We have LFG for people with those very expectations.
As far as Iâm concerned its only throwing if you are being hard countered and feeding. Make the game that little bit more fun for yourselves and swap in that situation.
Hard countering shouldnât even be a thing.