An extra button? So it’s not just any dps has the option to be an offtank? How would their SR work out? How would that help queue times? Why would anyone pick that if they weren’t gonna pick tank to begin with?
It’s just a buncha nonsense
Also, implementing that sort of complicated queue that would need it’s own SR and it’s own way to calculate that, as well as adjusting the matchmaker to account for all this stuff probably isn’t a “2-3 month” deal
You arent fixibg the problem you are straight up making it worse
There are already very little counterplay for tanks for certain heroes, with this idea the MT player is completly.boned against heroes like reaper, who counters literallt all the MT Roster
And you have also removed multiple composition possibilities like double barrier / hammond dva dives and orisa / rein brawl comps
Plus, aint like dps players NEED more.options, we need less dps not more
The beauty of 1-3-2 is that since every tank is a main tank you arent limited by “oh.welll we need a main tank but im getting farmed by this reaper and nobody is helping me”
In 132 you can go roadhog, murder that reaper and continue doing your job while at it
This ruins the whole appeal of 132
How can you say 1-3-2 is going to happen oftenly, AND that there are no queue time benefits?
I’d argue most people either feel like doubleofftank is a severe handicap. And usually toxic to play around for DPS/Healers.
Or that doublebarriertank makes barrier tank balance either way too weak to have impact outside of what your teammates provide you.
Or alternatively puts the game into a boring blue rectangle destruction simulator.
Meanwhile if BarrierTanks are too much of a pushover, then devs could buff them, a lot, without any concern about 2 Barrier being too strong, or 0 barrier being too weak.
Additionally 3x DPS plus all the other 2-2-2 comps is a lot more variety than we have now. Particularly it would make room for specialists like Sombra/Sym/Bastion.
I honestly feel like you aren’t understanding that by doing it this way, there’s no upper limit on how much they can buff barrier tanks, besides when it becomes anti-fun.
You aren’t suggesting 1-3-2, you’re suggesting 1-1-3-2
Is it really that hard to comprehend 1-3-2, but the players could swap 1DPS for 1OffTank if they want to?
I actually thought of buffing MTs but that has one flaw
In 132 u can buff all the tanks no problem bc you will always have one guaranteed
In this 1-1-2-2, imagine you buff rein to perform better for MT queue and you still have zarya as his partner? That would be busted
And the issue that it introduces is that its harder to balance cuz you are opening the door for both pure 132 lineups or 222 lineups so the 132 benefit of buffing tanks all willy nilly is gond
You cant buff MTs a lot as long OT can be ran
I generally instantly dismiss “this would be bad because it would be a euphemism for bad” arguments.
It would be different. For sure, but for instance if you bump up barriers, but you also bump up firepower, that tends to cancel a bit.
Well like i said
Buffing the main tanks to make up for the lack of flexibility caused by bruiser queue is basically like if you buffed all the main tanks for 222 system, think of that
I understand what ur trying but…i think tgis is way too problematic, just a pure 132 for me is simpler
I play a lot of Roadhog so that just stood out more to me.
Except without the possibly of DoubleBarrier, DoubleOffTank, or 2Tank/DPS/Mei.
Which drastically simplifies BarrierTank balance…
But amplifies Offtank-maintank combos by a lot too
Our current issue is rein zarya too
Which isn’t inherently a problem as long as it’s balanced.
Yeah tell that to rein zarya
Imagine that but with a buffed rein
So we’re back to “bad because bad” arguments?
No im saying that you are amplifying a problem a lot more than you are fixing
1122 inherently benefits maintank-offtank combos, and fixes the issue of maintank-maintank or offtank-offtank, which isnt a problem in itself, it sounds like a good solution
But when you consider that the literal current issue we are looking at is a maintank-offtank combo and your idea is benefitting that, we would be making the current problem worse
Trying to get on your shoes
I think you are thinking that fixing maintank-maintank allows us to buff orisa/sigma without the fear of double barrier
Which i guess if you consider that it could work but i feel like it would still be problematic with Rein zarya, since you wouldnt be able to buff rein to equal power to the buffed sigma/orisa because zarya amplifies every issue rein has by 50
You’re making the assumption the only way to buff Barrier Tanks is just barrier HP.
Leaving out the possibility of buffing selfsustain, CC resistence, mobility and firepower.
No im considering that too in the equation
I think it could still cause severe issues
Id rather just use 132 which fixes all tank-tank problems
Only the issue with 132 is lack of peeling for supports and pressure on snipers…
So the only problem is a severe lack of protection for teammates, and you think that’s easier to fix than just pumping raw buffs into BarrierTanks?