You sound like you have a really big chip of your shoulder there buddy, it really detracts from your arguments.
Re-read what you just typed: You want people to use their support ult to do damage. There’s two problems with that: 1 - A healer should be healing. Thats why they removed Mass-Ress remember? Or at least they try to convince us it was…
2 - If you are shooting, it means your team lost a healer. They are going to die if you are busy trying to take out someone, and now that Ress is impossible to pull of in a fight, you are doing more damage to your team than the enemy. And lets put it in perspective that its a more viable way to use Valk to shoot than it is to heal. that should speak volumes.
PS: Things that are impactful with the press of a button: High-Noon, Tech-Visor, Death-Blossom,D.Va Bomb, Defense Matrix, Sleep Dart…
You are treating this as a ‘US v. THEM’ when we need to be treating this as a US v. Blizzard by asking for feedback and communication on ALL HEROES. If there is a consistent issue with heroes going months with bugs and poor balance, we need every single voice saying that we do not want it to stay that way. That is my point.
It’s not the complaint, but rather that we need to push for more consistent communication within balance changes so that we can understand the angle at which changes are made and how they intend to fix heroes falling behind in balance.
Lookup Neptuno and Ark, they also have insane Valk moments. I’m sorry to say OW is an FPS game, and her pistol is already easy to use it shouldn’t be a reason for people to neglect a part of her kit.
I’m still surprised this nerf did so much, but I think there might be several reasons:
Less healing is less healing naturally, making solo-healing comps less viable with Mercy
Other healers got buffs to make them more viable, and people have been dying to play Ana for a long time now
The psychological effect - nerfing her healing signaled a willingness to nerf anything to put her in place, and at this point a lot of people just had enough and either stopped playing or switched mains
A slight meta shift where Hanzo fell out and Genji is moving back in, which is more favorable to Ana rather than Mercy
She badly needs something. I wouldn’t mind if the rez had to go in return for increased healing, healing with her just feels bad now. And I don’t want them to touch her damage boost or mobility because those are my favorite aspects of her kit…
I really don’t want her to overshadow all other supports again though, I quite enjoy Ana and finally being able to play her without feeling like I’m throwing is sooo nice.
Both are pro players, where as the majority of the game base cannot be expected to perform at their level.
I know it’s an fps game.
I know her pistol is easy to use.
It’s easy to use, because it’s intended for self defense. Maybe at the pro scene, where teams have coaches, and months to adjust to each other’s playstyles, and therefore, they allow for mercy to be a bit more aggressive with their pistol, but the competitive ladder is not like this.
Do not use pros to justify mercy not having any impact if she is doing her job properly.
You said it. The fact that mercy has to get kills to be impactful, implying that playing her the correct way (healing, dmg boosting) is unimpactful is incredibly telling, is it not?
This. Mercy is weaker is definitely agreeable, but people put too much emphasis on the differences she felt between her 50 and 60 hp/s heal. If something changes, you have to act and play accordingly. This means you have to actively be more aware with Mercy, hop to the target that needs healing the most, and predict who the next target will be a few seconds afters, again and again. Her GA is still the most mobile skill in the game and it should be used as a core part of her gameplay, not just latching onto people when you see the crirical mark because previously you could easily fix that with her healing. She NEEDS to be constantly active, and people have to know how to play around her lack of healing prowess. Also don’t be afraid to ask for another main healer. Example; when you’re doing PharMercy, she can’t be a solo main healer anymore. Got a brig on your team as 2nd healer? Immediately say 'I can’t solo main heal, please switch to Lucio/Moira/Ana. I’ve never been shy to ask for a Lucio secondary healer when playing Ana, because he COVERS my weaknesses.
A big thing why people don’t take the Mercy conplains kindly because it’s the constant tone of urgency as if she’s completely broken and unplayable now. She is NOT, I can’t stress that any more. She still sees gameplay in the World Cups just now. People need to learn from them, not so focused on their own failing gameplay. And definitely not from a t500 Mercy who also experiences failure because of tunnel visioning and lack of hero pool. Take ownership of your failures and seek a way to improve. Not everything can be granted by complaining, improve one’s own self is the first thing people need to do when things aren’t going right
True, but even so, she still has the one of the lowest win rates in the game, the lowest on fire rate, and a lowering pick rate. Also GA isn’t the most mobile ability in the game, let’s not get overzealous here.
That’s definitely true.
You should never be afraid to ask for another main healer, I agree
Sort of agree. Although I am a mercy player, and I do think she needs something soon, she by no means is unplayable.
Couldn’t agree more actually.
Wow, how profound. I definitely agree.
However, if mercy continues on this downward spiral for the next two weeks, since these past two weeks weren’t enough, what will be done?
Just leaving her there to rot?
Here’s the thing. I’m not against a rework or an improvement to her. I know she feels lacking right now, but those stats and that position of being ‘last in the stats’ is something every hero has experienced before. There was a thread proposing a Mercy rework in detail, with a skill called ‘Saving Grace’. I really like that one, and I appreciate those kinds of posts more than ‘HELP MERCY IS BROKEN FIX PLS’ posts such as this one.
Being constructive is one thing, complaining is another.
Mercy now has second worst winrate for all healers… In Bronze. She barely wins Ana.
Also, Mercy needs another rework because this rework has already painted itself to the corner. They can’t really buff anything in Mercy’s kit, except healing. The thing they just nerfed.
Only good options left are another rework and nerfing every other healer down to Mercy’s level. And they sure aren’t going to do latter.
We have said mercy needs changes for be more reliable, and Jeff nerfs her every time. Mercy heal now is useless, she can’t healed tanks, basically she’s uses because of Rez in ability. I’m Mercy main and I’m playing ranked with Moira/Zen
Wow what’s this?
A peaceful resolution to a debate?
How rare.
Although op isn’t really saying that mercy is broken, we can agree that both sides have extremes.
Mercy isn’t doing good.
But she also isn’t unplayable.
Sooner or later she’s gonna need something, assuming that the data continuously falls.
In this case, yes. We have a problem. She has awful winrate in every rank, including bronze. She’s flat out worst hero as far as GM winrate goes. She was nerfed all the way to F-tier.
I guess that I don’t see what everyone else is seeing. The changes have seemed balanced, and she is still viable. If she wasn’t, then you wouldn’t see the pros still playing her. Additionally, my win rate is still higher with Mercy than Moira.
This isn’t the greatest argument to use seeing as certain heroes who do not perform well on the ladder (Sombra, primarily) sees plenty of play in Contenders, OWL, and OWWC.
While pros are the level of play to consider in balance, it’s not always as clear-cut as it seems.
60 to 50 is roughly a 17% reduction in a hero’s primary function.
17% is a lot and quite dramatic. Imagine if a DPS hero had their damage with their primary fire reduced by that much. It’s losing nearly 1/5 of the output.
Furthermore, because it’s a primary function reduction it literally impacts everything else the hero does.
Mercy is getting less ults, less powerful ults, pulling out her pistol less, and is unable to be as mobile simply because she’s having to spend more time healing to keep people up.
