"Mercy Players Caused The Rework!" | 10 Reasons Why That's WRONG ❤

[KazTehOne-1516]

@Reverendpaqo-1797

I still don’t see any point where you’ve addressed this fact

See, here’s the thing. You say I never addressed that, then the next thing you quote from me is exactly that. Me addressing it.

@KazTehOne-1516

The fact you even look at it as a competition is telling. Forums are for discussion, when a thread is created you would hope that discussion stays in that thread. The problem is not so much that people aren’t listening. The problem is more so, people are tired of listening. It’s been this way for a year now. At least 50 new threads a day all discussing the same topics, the same talking points, and even so much as the same people doing it constantly.

Also, what fact? That the vocal minority want to be vocal and make multiple threads all saying the same thing they could have said as a reply in an already made thread. What would you like me to address about this fact that I haven’t already said?

@Reverendpaqo-1797

Titanium has a list of copy/paste responses to the exact same points that keep getting posted.

Titanium also does a wonderful job of creating fallacies in many of those responses, with obscured facts that reference them self. Again, you really need to find a different manifesto.

Mercy doesn't heal too much (with stats!)

… you just click gm>primary Potential in one valk is not a model of reality. Having 3-5 valks per game with that kind of potential is. Yet, you don’t. You know mercy’s overall average across all elo’s. Given the general consensus among most mercy mains on this forum all think Valk is a useless ult, we can determine pretty easily the average mercy player doesn’t realize how powerful valk really is. Gm is the what, top 4%. diamond is anywhere between 25 to 15%. The average isn’t going to cha…

13 nerfs aint "in a good spot"

Actually, Moira and Tracer have better escapes. Mercy has more mobility, but Moira has the best escape. Which has been the case since season 4 at the very least. Probably going as far back as season 2. Moira, Brigitte, and Lucio all have better midfight self-sustain than Mercy, looking at the support category. And then there’s Roadhog. Counting a single thing 3 different times doesn’t mean it counts as more than 1 thing. Thanks to E-rez. Oh wait, there’s the problem. Fixed that for y…

Mercy's Situation is NOT fair!

No no no, it’s more like the vast majority of users all agreed Mercy’s res was a problem, and it got recognized by pro players who said the same thing and blizzard agreed promoting your main healer to hide throughout a team fight was a terrible strategy that shouldn’t be encouraged in a game like overwatch. Even now you’ll only find this bring back mass res movement on these forums. More people just want to see her balanced, without the devs having to worry about more backlash from the mercy m…

I’ve been up and down with most of their talking points. You can read the discussions yourself. How about instead of depending on somebody else’s poor copy paste arguments that have been proven wrong, try having an genuine discussion with somebody. I use you in the general sense here, for the record.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

stick to consistent logic, and often reference sources or simple logic to rationalize the stance.

You sure we’re talking about the same person?

@Reverendpaqo-1797

I see significantly less of that when Titanium posts a link to another thread

Probably because they’re a ban baiter. Even you are putting them on a pedestal right now. If you disagree with them, they will riddle you with fallacies and the large following of mercy mains they have mass false flag anyone with a differing opinion. Honestly, those threads are echo chambers.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

This is straightforward logic. Nothing about it says I agree or disagree with doing so, but feel free to point out where I said I agree the OP needed to make their own topic.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

Seeing as there are a huge number of people who believe Mercys did was the rework, and Titanium gets crap for copy/pasting responses to the same falsehoods or relevant topics that keep being claimed but doesn’t when linking to a thread, apparently that makes the answer “yes”.

This is actually just circular logic.

1. Person won’t listen to a direct reply
2. Make thread that replies to their talking points indirectly
3. People still don’t listen and more think it’s ridiculous
4. But because the thread had to be made means that original person wasn’t listening to begin with.
5. Because the person wasn’t listening, the thread had to be made

repeat.

Straightforward logic would be along the lines of, if this person is genuinely trying to have a discussion, continue replying to them directly in that thread. If the person seems like a troll, don’t bother with them.

Or recognize

@KazTehOne-1516

The problem is not so much that people aren’t listening. The problem is more so, people are tired of listening. It’s been this way for a year now. At least 50 new threads a day all discussing the same topics, the same talking points, and even so much as the same people doing it constantly.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

You completely ignored the part where the main thread for Mercy discussion keeps getting deliberately shut down to prevent discussion in it.

About this, actually. Has anyone actually said who is legitimately doing it? The familiar suspects keep saying trolls report the thread and it gets closed. But which trolls and why? With the mega thread, there is a lot less Mercy talking points that have been discussed to death a million times clogging up the front page and the forums in general. Meanwhile, I remember vividly how much certain people wanted the mercy mega thread gone so they could be heard again as they thought the mega thread was a void that gets ignored… which, it probably was but that’s besides the point.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

You also actively ignored the fact that it was metaphorical speech and instead used selective literal interpretation to make the claim I’m treating this like a competition

If that’s truly the case, my apologizes. However,

@Reverendpaqo-1797

Can’t win if you post a full reply, can’t win if you post a copy/paste, can’t win if you post a link. Y’all have made it a net loss no matter what any of us do, so frankly, we stopped giving a crap about pleasing the unpleasable.

tells a very different story.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

That is kind of exactly what I’m talking about in regards to not wanting an actual discussion

No, this is you doing some of the following:

@KazTehOne-1516

Although if you choose to lump in people who do intend to try and have a reasonable discussion as trolls, it’s no wonder you get confused. Anybody who has a differing opinion against the mass amount of Mercy main echo chamber in this forums is usually only met with mass flagging, dogpiling, name calling. More often than not the most vocal of the Mercy mains who make long drawn out threads resort to fallacies and ban baiting when there talking points are challenged.

See. I pointed out a flaw in your logic, how you’ve created an us vs them mindset to justify spamming the forums with threads like this and titanium’s. You immediately attack one sentence in that entire paragraph where I fully admit i pointed this out, and then you completely ignored the rest of that paragraph. Even going on to say I didn’t address the points that very same paragraph addressed.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

There are no mental gymnastics here.

You fooled me.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

Simply following the logical path of discussion based on context and not selectively interpreting things to turn it into the response I want in order to turn it back at you.

You sure?

@Reverendpaqo-1797

t is polite to return the same consideration if in fact you actually want to discuss something. Else, if one party is attempting and the other is not, it’s not a discussion; it’s fruitlessly talking at someone.

I completely agree.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

So, I’ll take the lack of response as a “no”.

If you choose to ignore it, thats on you. It’s no wonder you think people aren’t listening to your replies so you need to make new threads indirectly replying to those very same people and get validation from likeminded people who agree with you. You just completely ignore them to begin with. You are actually projecting right now.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

Also still looking for a response to this.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

You have to acknowledge that if you are constantly bombarded with that, you WILL get jaded and respond in such. If your place to discuss the state of Mercy is perpetually locked and inaccessible, where else do you post it? Show me where discussions can be posted within the discussion thread when the discussion thread is inaccessible for posting in. This is why its spilling over into the rest of the forums more and more.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

That is why many of us stopped giving a crap; no matter what we say it is twisted against us and the context of the discussion is discarded for pettyness. No matter what we link or what we day there is a demand for evidence that no source will ever be good enough to prove, and fallacious logic and strawmen for everything said.

Just so you can’t say I didn’t address this.

@Reverendpaqo-1797

If your place to discuss the state of Mercy is perpetually locked and inaccessible, where else do you post it?

How about instead of depending on somebody else’s poor copy paste arguments that have been proven wrong, try having an genuine discussion with somebody.