“Unfun” is so subjective…
I am a Mercy one-trick (maybe the last on the planet) and people keep telling me to pick Brigitte to climb the ranks better, but I still want to only play Mercy.
So, I guess I am having fun? There still are some Mercy mains out there, though probably no one-tricks.
You do realize I was responding to you saying that Mercy should only be effective as a "Starter hero " (which make szeo sense with how little of her kit actually transfers to othe heroes skillsets)
I’d have the same comment if someone said “Orisa takes more skill so rein should just be a starter tank only usuable in lower ranks” or some non sense like that.
There are two few in either category to limit ourselves even further by intentionally balancing so as to not be effective in certain ranks
Mercy’s kit is just heal, damage boost, and rez. Rein takes massive amounts of game sense and great positioning. Theres no way to make mercy a viable hero at high levels without creating a completely new hero and putting mercy’s name on it. From launch, she was intended as a starter hero, similar to soldier, to get people used to the game. Since then theyve added 3 supports, and people still complain
And Mercy has the least amount of self defence that isnt just running and her mobility is dependant on knowing hwere everyone else is"
You know Mercy 1.0 could have easily beeen made viable when competeting against Ana back during season 4. All they needed was some extra utility on her E, maybe make it something that has a similar skill as Zarya bubbles t to rais the skill cieling at the same time, maybe no projectile though cus that wouldn ot work for console players
Still it’s one thing for power to shift naturally as people get better, its another to advocate for someone to avitvely be intentionally gimped so they can only work when their competition can’t work and the latter is what you advocate.
Please never make a multiplayer video game.
Im sorry what
So Mercy, meta for 9 seasons, was “intentionally gimped.”
Does it make sense for a hero with low skill to give a high reward? Because thats what happened forever. Blizz nerfed Mercy to put more skillful heroes at the top of the meta because skill should result in a higher impact. Im sorry if u dont get it, but mercy isnt a skill hero, and will never be, so she shouldnt be on the same level as skill heroes.
Period.
I was agaisnt this rework from the get-go on all fronts so don’t go putting that mess at my feet. But do you think it was intentional that she was so OP? That they inteintionally kept the other two down to make room for Mercy? No they didn’t, but that’s what you’re advocating for for Ana (who else is the high skill healer)
The ult isn’t fun as it is, not necessarily because it doesn’t grant more rez, but because its support impact is really weak. You’re better off flanking the enemy support with it.
I wasnt advocating for Ana but sure, if it helps you sleep at night. Mercy was reworked for the sole reason that she was towering over the other supports. Now she is used at low tiers and for off heal/pocket healing, and Ana is top tier for players who can unlock her potential. If they cant, they sure go play mercy
Sure. By saying Mercy was nerfed because she was too easy, I was… actually i have no idea what you meant by that statement
Oh hey, I was saying that too. Thats why Mercy was nerfed, to fix that problem
TL;DR Mass rez Mercy never got past C tier in high ranks so when you say
You’re just plain wrong and an idiot
Allso if you can actually get to that video on Yotuube links were in the description but for someone reason I can’t post links even thoug h i can post videos
And no you started this whole conversation by saying
To which i responded by saying that making it so a heo is impossible to get value out of comparitively is bad design decisioning and that for someone to be that low on the totem pole above a certain rank should not be the intent.
The nerf I was talking about wasnt the rework, it was losing the valk rez, losing instant rez, and healing being cut to 50.
Ooh look at your big words. Ouch that really hurt
It is still possible to get value out of Mercy. Ana is a skill hero, and if you have the skill then you should play Ana. Why play mccree when you can just play widow and get more value for hitting harder shots? Well why play mercy when you get more value hitting more difficult shots? Mercy is still seen as an off support helping to prop up a widow or hanzo or something along those lines, but main healers have been added to the game that have de-throned mercy. Mercy isnt currently a main healer, so while maybe shes played as one in lower tiers, she cant beat ana at her own job. Mercy is niche now, stuck somewhere between main healer and off healer, and ignoring that is just plain silly.
Ana does more healing with a sniper rifle than mercy does with a lock on beam. Kinda like how widow does more damage with a sniper rifle than winston with an aoe cone. That seems right to me
It does, and it’s a near-instant full health revive with a negligible cooldown. The limitation is that the same person can’t be revived more than once in a short period of time.
You said reworked in your post so uh, yeah your mispoeaking caused a misunderstanding.
Yes I know she got nerfed because she was towering over other supports, I mean I"m against this rework as a whole because Fun adn balanced are mutualy exclusive in this build so we’re on the same page
I think the reason the fun argument is being used is because the ”unfun to play against” argument was used against her before her changes where announced. I believe fun to be subjective from person to person and that reason alone shouldn’t guide how a character is balanced, but a can of worms was unscrewed that day and now this is the end result. If not fun to play against is reason enough for people to ask for change ,then the not fun to play anymore reason should be expected.
Which is true with every hero?
The number of people who play against Rein outnumber those who play him.
The number of people who play against Sombra outnumber those who play her.
There’s no logic in this, theres 28 heroes.
Blizzard set the precendent that heroes can be changed on the basis of them being “unfun” despite being balanced. Until they say otherwise, this is a valid argument to use.
There was a post a while ago that asked how Mercy was considered unfun and I replied how some of the players/fans felt. Instead of typing the whole thing out again I’ll leave a link.
One thing I’ll add is if you didn’t play the hero before, it doesn’t make sense to ask for changes. But if you played the hero a lot or was a fan of them before, I think it isn’t too much to ask for changes (minus “I want my hero uncounterable and OP” because that’s just stupid). Fun is subjective, but I think if an ultimate makes it so that two corner stones of your character (strong single support and team-based mobility) are unnecessary, then it probably gets rid of the fun for most of that character’s players. Additionally, if you nerf their primary job it does make them less fun (again, unless if it was OP, in which case it should get tuned down, but this wasn’t the case for Mercy).
Enough of that, the link to a longer comment I made that can be related to this is added below. I hope this helps you and the community understand why some Mercy players think/say the things they do, and again everyone has their own opinions. I acknowledge that I don’t speak for everyone and I hope you know that Mercy mains don’t all “demand” for a hero change, or at least not without giving reasons why they think there should be changes.
No version of Mercy has ever really effected my own personal fun factor. I’m not gonna front, I didn’t mind Mass Rez when it was used by a Mercy on my team, and I definitely didn’t mind being the single target Rez pick for Mercy’s on my team either. My legit only beef with Mercy has been with Mercy one tricks, and that isn’t a beef exclusive to Mercy, but was certainly more prevalent on Mercy. Getting two Mercy one tricks was always a sigh of pain to come. …Also Mercy mains and their bizarre attachment to her.
And they reworked her because she was “unfun” to play against 
Idk, Mercy was fun to me even before the rework, even though the ult was completely busted and she lacked something.
Then came the work and she was so ridiculously busted I literally didn’t play her in comp because it felt unfair. I mean, Ressfest meta was frustrating.
I don’t know, she progressively became unfun to me - and boring. The best thing about the rework was the Guardian Angel’s slingshot mechanic - and that was an accident!
I think Ressurect was massively poorly dealt with and I think Valkyrie feels more like the prototype of an ability that could’ve been really cool.
For the longest time now I’ve kept the faith that they would do the best for their game based on their knowledge of characters yet to come, but now I don’t fell that way anymore.
As a support main, I prefer a lot more to play off supports right now. Mercy is heartbreaking in her current state and Moira… honestly, the only thing that’s ever made me want to play Moira is her Halloween skin. I’ve become an Ana main during the last 3 seasons.
And no, it is not a case of me finding out how much Ana can do and becoming overwhelmed with it. I could always carry solo heals as Mercy and enable my teammates, quite reliably also. But in her current state? Running Mercy as a main healer relies on your enemies playing a little bit like Scheiße.
Man, Idk… the state of healers and tanks in this game.
Have been taking a break for a couple of weeks now. I think I’ll take two more before even trying to come back.
stun, aimbot, freeze, self healing, healing, nuclear bombs, traps, venom mines, guardian angel, rewind, transendence, wall riding, shields, hook, charge, Doomfist, deflect, Pharah, turrets, hacks do? I hate rez and it’s the reason Mercy is broken, both as an ability and as an ultimate, but the “has no place in any FPS” needs to stoP, if you don’t want it, play something else. It’s like me geing to play League of Legends and complain because it’s “not like Overwatch”, even though they are both consired MOBAs
" The game is played from a first-person perspective, and the ability for CS:GO-esque, twitch-accurate aiming is certainly important to some heroes’ play styles. But the game’s best kept secret is that Overwatch isn’t an FPS. No. Overwatch is a MOBA (Massive Online Battle Arena) in disguise."