Mercy hides far more now than she used to btw

DvaSlaysEU-2809 · August 3, 2018, 5:25pm

Not the point. It’s the fact that she has the ability to.

BuffMercy-1116 · August 3, 2018, 5:26pm

When? Mass rez I got around 25, rework mercy around 40-50, now around 20.

GreyFalcon-11737 · August 3, 2018, 5:26pm

That is the point, because reality matters more than pure theory.

Fragehardt-1291 · August 3, 2018, 5:26pm

Or… Or, I was actually there and saw people do it every other team fight with my own eyes.

DvaSlaysEU-2809 · August 3, 2018, 5:26pm

personal experience and nothing else to back it up. Good day.

Fragehardt-1291 · August 3, 2018, 5:28pm

Personal experience > no experience at all. Good day

Lithy-2614 · August 3, 2018, 5:28pm

I never saw a single Mercy hiding. NEVER. I’ve played since before Ana’s release. However, I’ve seen plenty of dpss hiding and making huge kills (myself included) and it’s curious, nobody complains about that. Maybe we should rework all dpss in the game and revert them all to a previous bad design that was removed for good before game’s release? I don’t think so.

BuffMercy-1116 · August 3, 2018, 5:28pm

I remember when my DPS and tanks would scream at me to hide and if i didn’t they would report me for throwing lol

GreyFalcon-11737 · August 3, 2018, 5:31pm

I guess these Mercy players are just bad at the game then, huh?
https://i.imgur.com/Lf6OrV2.jpg

Look at those weak rez numbers.

Fragehardt-1291 · August 3, 2018, 5:31pm

Were you playing at my rank? Because if you were, I find that highly unlikely.

BuffMercy-1116 · August 3, 2018, 5:32pm

Seems like they can’t pull off good rez’s then?

DvaSlaysEU-2809 · August 3, 2018, 5:33pm

Well the average is 6 because there are more bad Mercy players than there are good players. Hence why GM makes up less than 1% of the Overwatch community.

Used to play Mercy . Tempo rezzing was the go to for me and most other good Mercy players.

Jæk-1526 · August 3, 2018, 5:33pm

Large hitbox, poor manuverability, trash range, low DPS, low sustained healing

Yep, uncounterable and broken, a must pick in absolutely every comp at all times.

Fragehardt-1291 · August 3, 2018, 5:34pm

That doesn’t mean you were doing it right…

Kryptsm-1905 · August 3, 2018, 5:34pm

So then everyone complaining about Hide and Rez (GreyFalcon and Fragehardt)

Why not just add a cast time to her old ultimate then? If she hid and her entire team is dead, it should be a piece of cake to stun her out of her ultimate.

That gives it counterplay and hiding and rezzing will no longer be the dominant strat.

Why is that not a viable option?

DvaSlaysEU-2809 · August 3, 2018, 5:34pm

Your acting as if hiding was how you use Resurrect. No, it was a misuse of her ultimate.
Titanium’s post explains it well:

Reverting Mercy is, IMO, the best option to balance Mercy

“Hide and rez” is a great strategy… assuming your goal is to get wiped after the resurrection. Hiding turns the fight into a 5v6 with a main healer down. Any competent team would be able to walk through your team without expending ultimates, except to counter any ultimates expended by your team. The enemy team already has the positioning advantage and the first shot after the resurrection. “Hide and rez” would also give them the advantage of more ultimate abilities. Doing so sets your team up for failure.

A good Mercy sustains her team until they can no longer be sustained, or until she can no longer do so safely. By doing this, she allows the team to bait more ultimates before dying, giving your team the ultimate ability advantage after the resurrection.

A team playing against a hiding Mercy would have a significantly easier time dealing with the opposing team, as Mercy is putting her own team at a disadvantage. It wouldn’t even come down to being aware enough to consciously notice the 5v6 (although most players should be able to recognize a 5v6 when they see one), but a matter of knowing how much force the team needs to apply to overcome a given resistance; if the enemy is crumbling, don’t expend limited resources to push a structure that will fall on its own.

Because the opposing team is already at a numbers disadvantage in the initial fight, pushing into them without using any ultimates, except to counter ultimates expended by the enemy, will be sufficient for eliminating the opposition. This further leads to more loaded ultimates, as killing 4-5 enemies in a 2-2-2 composition is roughly equivalent to 1500 charge in HP. That is also excluding additional charge gained through allied healing and allied damage through enemy healing. Combine this with the absence of a need to expend ultimates, and the team with the hiding Mercy is revived looking down the barrel of an incredibly large gun, has no time to draw their own, and is in a poor position to capitalize on it even if they did have the time to draw their own.

As a result, hiding prematurely was detrimental to the team’s chances of winning the fight in the long term, even if it was riskier in the short term. It was a misuse of an ultimate.

To add some perspective to this, using “hide and rez” as a reason to remove Resurrect as an ultimate is about the same as using the fact that some Pharah players Barrage themselves on occasion as a reason to remove Rocket Barrage.

GreyFalcon-11737 · August 3, 2018, 5:35pm

Maybe you didn’t realize I pulled that from the “Highest Ranked Mercy players on Overbuff” list.

Lithy-2614 · August 3, 2018, 5:36pm

I’ve played in all modes, and the only places where I have noticed about people exploiting the hide and rez thing was in ranks like plat, and just because of the broken SR system. As that wasn’t a problem of the total playerbase, just a minority, it was a lesser problem and it only required QoL changes. She never needed a revert back to her three worst designs ever (aka valk ult, stationary rez, both removed before game’s release, and trash 50 hp/s healing). The fact that she remains the same good is a proof of how miserable failure the revert has been. Even the pros have admitted that the SR system was the problem and that only a bunch of Mercys did hide and rez.

Fragehardt-1291 · August 3, 2018, 5:36pm

Except… Wait for it… It wasn’t.

MerlinBrando-11655 · August 3, 2018, 5:37pm

Sure… except if she is rezzing someone who just died and is hiding behind a corner, you probably know where she is hiding. Let’s be real.