Megathread part 4.1 (oct 2018) beam buff not enough!

The exact quote.

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How about adding more utility to the Teleporter? Maybe when Symmetra uses her TP every hero on her team is given an extra ā€œweaponā€ (use by the weapon swap button). This weapon allows them to teleport to spawn as long as the TP is up. This would allow people to hero swap quickly then use the TP without feeding and dying, or waiting to respawn. It could also be used by someone desperately out of position to reset with their team. It isnā€™t huge, but itā€™s utility that wouldnā€™t affect the shield gen at all.

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Symmetra is gonna be a defense hero now, thoughts?

Good. Her supporting ability was way to low, she didnā€™t need to heal, but she needed something besides her Ult to support. Moving her to defense is fine. The one thing I really want from this rework is that gosh darn beam wrecking me because I canā€™t aim. If they replaced her weapon Iā€™d be happy. (Just make her viable please OW team)

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Tbh i donā€™t know how I feel about the change, but Iā€™ll be happy as long as sheā€™s viable and still has her beam gun

woah. Well I guess that seals the deal. Iā€™m a bridgitte main now.

My bizarre nonhealing support hero Symmetra 2.0 is gone. the rework is gonna make her something else entirely. Iā€™m still excited to see what she becomes though, but her ā€œincreased-HPā€ gimmick that I love belongs to bridgitte now. Oh well

It was a fun run everyone, I am no longer one of you

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Not pleased. I was really hoping they emphasized her Shield-providing, maybe even providing her with extra-tankiness abilities and zone control.
No dice.
Iā€™m still hopeful, but kinda bummed.

Considering how arbitrary categories are, moving her to defense probably wonā€™t be the end of the world.

She was already a support/defense hybrid.

Plus, some DPS heroes like Sombra, Mei, and Torbjorn have supportive capabilities, so I doubt theyā€™ll completely take away her shields and what not.

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Oh iā€™m not saying her being a defense hero is such a bad thing. just that this means they no longer see Symmetra as (intended to be) a viable support hero. Sheā€™ll definitely still be supportive, but sheā€™s not meant to be played as a support anymore.

I was already kinda drifting to Bridgitte just because sheā€™s fun anyway, but Symmetra is becoming less of what I liked her for it seems.

Iā€™m pretty happy about this. She plays like a DPS and plenty of people already use her as a DPS alongside 2 healers.

It seems as if theyā€™ll be focusing on her area-denial abilities with Teleporter as a support-ish utility, which I think is a good choice. Plus, moving Symmetra to Defence might lessen the vitriol people throw at Sym players due to her perception as a Defence character, and itā€™ll fill the void that people have for a new Defence character.

Win-win-win so far IMO. I just hope theyā€™ll make her fun to play against as well, as the lock on beam can be very frustrating to deal with.

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Iā€™m definitely excited to see it in action. Also is this just me or did it seem like the devs knew exactly what they want to do with Symmetra but just havenā€™t said anything?

Like, with Hanzo they talked about a lot of ideas and the potential of even rebalancing scatter arrow. then they talked about the concept they settled on, then they showed concept art, then they teased it was coming soon. Hanzo felt like a process

With Sym they just went ā€œSymmetras gonna get changed but we dont know how yet, its gonna take a whileā€

Then like, instantly after new Hanzo goes live theyre like ā€œHereā€™s a teaser of what Symmetra is capable of, also sheā€™s a defense hero now lolā€

Likeā€¦ where was the brainstorming and discussion process Hanzo went through?

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I then the reason for that is because the community didnā€™t give much more than ā€œwe donā€™t like from Scatter Arrowā€, but with Symmetra, they have this mega thread plus other threads to go off.

Anyway, I think that it may still be possible to run her as a second support. In the past, Soldier, Torbjƶrn, and Sombra have been picked in the slot of one, so maybe she can too.

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Iā€™ll just quote myself from the other thread:

Iā€™m not mad, just disappointed. That means Blizzard gave up on the ā€œsupport donā€™t mean healerā€ motto, and that we pretty much canā€™t expect another pure utility support in the future.

On the other hand, that means her gun will probably stay untouched and she might get a turret buff. Letā€™s see what they have in the table for her.

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I am quite frustrated with this news. My initial reaction to this was frustration because it feels like Blizzard didnā€™t listen to us with all our wonderful support ideas for Symmetra on the forums. After my frustration waned I did some serious thinking and came to a conclusion: This doesnā€™t mean that she is not a support hero. Sombra, Torbjƶrn, and Soldier 76 have all got quite interesting potential support utility. [Particularly Sombra with her EMP enabling massive plays, similar to Nanoboost, and her health pack healing (which by the way is faster than Mercyā€™s beam. Did the math and a hacked mega is 62.5 healing-per-second Mercyā€™s is only 60.)] Anyway, my point is that she might be a more defensive support hybrid. This doesnā€™t mean she is a DPS. Sombra has the lowest potential damage per second of all the 14 DPS heroes currently and she is primarily picked as a either a utility support or for potential combo with things such as D.Vaā€™s Bomb. Maybe they moved her because they did not want to confuse people. Making her primary role as a defensive hero might help eliminate some of the confusion surrounding Symmetra but allow her to still be more supportive. I still remain hopeful that they have listened to at least a few of us. I am always going to give my thoughts on Sym. I think she is one of the most intriguing heroes in Overwatch.

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Personally, I canā€™t wait for the inevitable:

ā€œGet the **** off Symmettra your teleports are not worth losing a high-mobile DPS pick.ā€

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Iā€™ll be fine with this as long as she is defence like sombra is offense, used as a support slot with teams with higher self sustain. I am very disappointed, it sucks that the devs have now given up on non-healing supports. Personally thought it would happen, because of bridge and moira. Iā€™ll still play her, but the devs just proved that they canā€™t provide certain designs; supports will now equal healing tacked on somewhere and they will run out of unique places to put it.

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Man, there are newer players that never experienced mass rez, or uberhog, or 80+ heals ana, or missleless ā€œ4 second Dva matrixā€

how weird is it gonna be that some players will enter overwatch thinking Symmetra is and always was a defense hero.

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I donā€™t care if they make her a Defense hero I only care that they make her viable.

If they donā€™t do that Iā€™m uninstalling simple as that.
I am actually a bit hopeful for the rework though. I feel like theyā€™ll make her broken and tone her down like what always happens with reworked heroes.

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I was hoping to see them keep Sym as a support, I had this idea, it probably makes very little sense lore wise, but her tp should be kept as a regular ability and let ally ults through (dva ult, junkrat ult, it would be a fun addition and maybe strategic in specific scenarios) and her ultimate should be a reality bending device which lowers teammates cooldowns by %20 in a (shield gen) radius, or maybe a shorter one. Now that would be an amazing addition to the team and considered an impactful ult which makes it a priority for the enemy team. But yeahā€¦ Iā€™m sad to see they gave up on making her a non healer viable utility support. I just really donā€™t want to see any more barriers and lackluster basic laser beams, I hope by ā€˜dramaticā€™ they meant a really dramatic change which will improve her playstyle (visuals too, like come on an elipse shaped barrier isnā€™t very Sym-like). I really love how her playstyle relies on outsmarting the enemy rather than just ā€œkill kill kill or heal heal healā€ they should really keep that. Sure she has a potential to wipe an enemy team with enough teamwork but lets face it, that RARELY happens on high tier matches. As a proud Sym main (although I face bullying and hate all the time just like any other sym main) I have mixed feelings about this upcoming rework, but Iā€™ll be happy as long as they make her viable on attack.

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