I am pretty sure the DEVs do know. That how the would make choices like this
hence why I did, 3 times actually, none of what you say is present and even more important is that Emongg is pretty well known to be quite hyperactive and pretty much all over the place but of course, if you only take a look at people streams when they talk about something you’re interested on, there’s no wonder you start projecting what you want to see and/or hear on someone you don’t know
Which should start ringing a bell by now but you are particularly proficient on ignoring what is right in front of your face
Haha, if I were to wait that long I’d become a corpse! it’s never coming back so take it, gratz
@OP do you think we should revert hanzo?
Plz explain your thoughts
Not sure if you talked about this, but you can hear that when they make a rework, and balancing changes, they not only think about the current cast and how it impacts them, but also the future cast, which they have heavily planned out ability and role wise it seems. Like while one hero might seem overpowered or underpowered now, but when they release a future hero, they will suddenly be and at a perfectly balanced state.
I believe that a revert isn’t impossible. I believe that any hero can be reverted, not just hanzo. The real question is can they tweak hanzo after his revert? And the answer to that is, I believe they can. Anything they revert can be balanced with proper tweaks. The challenge is knowing what to tweak, and understanding how to tweak it without getting carried away with huge sweeping changes. Metas change all the time, and they have gone back on their word in the past. It’s never good to say something will “never happen”, since of course, we don’t know the future. My opinion!
But… I’m not asking them, I’m asking you, because you made the statement that “one side has more people”, right? So… where’s the facts, sources, and data that backs up your claim?
I definitely did hear about that, so thanks for bringing that up! I haven’t dived too much on it, as I am curious as to how that would actually pan out in reality. The PR speech about it is hopeful, don’t get me wrong there, but looking at their track record with Mercy and the rework. My thoughts about that is close to the chest. I’ll rather wait and see for myself if that actually holds true before getting any of my hopes up. In terms of future cast, I am excited for Echo at least, so there’s that.
~Sincerely Yours xoxo,
a Lover of True, Fair, and Fun Balance.
xavvypls
What claim?? I said one side has more people. I assume the devs know which one and made a choice based on that
Well i think we already see this in action. He touched on pocket mercy potential, which is now greater so with ashe and her 1 shot headshots.
My problem with Mercy at the moment is her absolute lack of option towards the:
“OH crap, Im healing my teammate but he is going to die!”
Ana: Bio-nade, Nano boost, even sleep to some extend.
Moira: Healing orb + normal heal and 140HPS Convalescence
Lucio: Let’s break it DOWN!
Zen: TRANQUILITY!
Mercy: * Watches her teammate die passively *
What? You are going to ult on one ally to boost your healing by 10hps? Yeah I didn’t think so. You wait for him to die and MAAYYBE pull off the rez.
The only reason mercy needs rez at the moment is that since she can’t prevent death, her only option is to reverse it.
I’ve lost a bit of respect for the streamer here. I thought they had a balanced view of the situation but evidently not.
Okay, but you never know, it might. They say a lot of things; however, the longer they flounder around without addressing the issue and the more converts to mass rez, it might be a genuine possibility.
what about giving her mass re-raise!
I like how some Mercy forumers tend to say that Blizzard doesn’t listen to them.
It seems you’re the ones that are incapable of listening… Mass-rez isn’t coming back.
I’m sorry but I must call you out here:
Then, after one of the people in the chat called out the dev, saying they, quote “screwed up the rework” (though admittedly, was pretty inappropriate to say to them).
But various posters (who I’m not going to name) can create videos and threads describing the rework as a total failure (sometimes expressing hostility to those who disagree) and I have never seen you call them out or criticise them on that. Despite the fact that they are also expecting the Devs to read those comments or watch those videos.
IMHO Mass Rez is extremely unlikely to return unless there is a dramatic change to 2CP and 3rd points on several payload maps where hiding for a mass team Rez or walking out of spawn (after dying first in the fight) for that “clutch” team Rez were common, viable and effective strategies for how the map type was played (especially point B on 2CP maps). I acknowledge Mass Rez was not a major balance issue/source of frustration on most Control, Hybrid 1st/2nd and Escort 1st/2nd maps because Tempo Rez’s were more valuable. However, the game should not be redesigned around any one heroes ability, heroes should be designed to fit the game. Map type, geography and general gameplay strategies are rarely ever brought up in balance discussions, which likely contributes to why so much is ignored: it is taken as a simple matter of statistics and match ups rather than a deeper, more nuanced situation. Pro players/high SR content creators are guilty of this too, mostly because they seem to take it as implicit.
Feel free to disagree with me. But unless 2CP in particular is radically changed in ways that are likely to negatively impact upon the balance of several other members of the cast, I do not see Mass Rez as it was or has been proposed as a viable direction for any future rework to Mercy. Only if it were made a 5-7m radius, with LOS and cast time perhaps but i question the usefulness of such and ability compared to Valkyrie or any other support ultimate in the game. As it stand I feel that in the long run Mercy needs another, modest, rework to solidify her new found identity as a mobile, solo target support as the roster of healers continues to expand and diversify.
Me too, it was quite unfortunate seeing them parrot old rhetoric as if it holds any meaning anymore. By now, I think it’s common knowledge that the “unfun to play against” argument is subjective opinion, and is a horrible way to balance the game.
Mass re-raise you say? Do elaborate on that. I never heard of this before
Welcome to another Mercy thread Kiwi! We’re glad you can make it
Thanks for projecting your opinion on mass rez, I’m afraid I’m going to have to disagree with you there. I believe that the devs have been making progress, but there are issues with Mercy that still haven’t been addressed. I think that Mass res is definately coming back in some shape or form, and the interview has done nothing to change my mind. But hey! That’s fine. You don’t want mass rez to return, and I do. We’ll just have to agree to disagree on that and accept our difference in opinion. Thanks!
You do realize that I was referring there to the person in chat who made that comment and called out the dev as being “inappropriate” right? Not sure what point you intended to make there.
And that’s fine, as I’ve said, I like mass res and I hope it will return. Mercy still has to hide in order to res today, so I’m not sure if bringing it back will be a problem for 2CP. In fact with more CC and counters like Hammond’s ult which deny an area, I believe it would be even better to have the ability in the game (which I’ve made an entire thread about as well that goes into detail regarding my thoughts). But hey! If you don’t like it, and you don’t think it’s coming back, that’s your opinion and I respect it. We will just agree to disagree there.
~Sincerely Yours xoxo,
a Lover of True, Fair, and Fun Balance.
xavvypls
You do realize that I was referring there to the person in chat who made that comment and called out the dev as being “inappropriate” right? Not sure what point you intended to make there.
I do and question why you do not call out other people on this forum for the same or more hostile comments.
And that’s fine, as I’ve said, I like mass res and I hope it will return. Mercy still has to hide in order to res today, so I’m not sure if bringing it back will be a problem for 2CP. In fact with more CC and counters like Hammond’s ult which deny an area, I believe it would be even better to have the ability in the game (which I’ve made an entire thread about as well that goes into detail regarding my thoughts). But hey! If you don’t like it, and you don’t think it’s coming back, that’s your opinion and I respect it. We will just agree to disagree there.
I have read this thread. It makes no specific comment on game modes or the interaction with Mass Rez on the gameplay of 3rd point payload or 2CP maps. The inclusion of Minefield and Molten Core 2.0 add some small counterplay to Mass Rez in these situations in theory. However it does not address the fundamental issues with how Mass Rez interacted with these maps. I do not see how Mass Rez is more easily shut down by CC than by the one shot mechanics (or CC) that have been in the game since launch, nor the presence of area denial ultimates, which have also existed since launch (Whole Hog, Primal Rage, Blizzard and Dragon Strike) would make Mass Rez good for the game, given the context of the above map types. Furthermore, your point that Mercy often has to hide to Rez now does not acknowledge the difference between 1 or 2+ target Rezs, especially in the context of those maps/areas of maps that are most contentious.
Lastly perhaps its because I’m old but it was never generally considered polite to respond to disagreements with "agree to disagree"straight out of the gate as if it is impossible to persuade anyone of anything.
Hello glad to be part of this thread! ohh I’m accepting that we disagree on opinions what i’m not accepting or finding it hard to accept that you’re not accepting the words coming out from the devs mouth which clearly indicate they don’t want what you’re suggesting sadly if that’s not changing your mind, guess i wont be able to do that either
Well, I’m not sure what to tell you then, because I have made such comments. So I’m sorry, but that is a false claim. I would recommend taking a look at my post history before making assumptions. Either way, the fact remains… This thread isn’t to discuss the “what abouts” of other posts, as that isn’t relevant to this topic, right? This thread is in part, to discuss the interview and the false narrative at play, which includes the inappropriate remark made at the dev and how the twitch streamer reacted to it.
I’m glad you asked. Here you go!
Hmm sounds like a personal problem I’m afraid… I have learned that there are some who are stuck in their ways and would rather argue than see reason, and in those cases, I believe it’s best to just let their opinions stay as they are and be open-minded to them, rather than try to convince them otherwise. I’m not here to sell you on an idea or force my view on you. If you disagree, you will disagree with it. We’re not going to always agree on the same things, and being respectful of that is fine by me.
A twitch streamer with a history of hating the hero, so much so that there is record of them actually being upset over the recent Valkyrie “buffs”, and a dev who said the same thing they said since the beginning of the rework? Hm… I wonder why I’m still skeptical?
You can think whatever you wish about my “thoughts” and are free to not accept them. I’ve given my opinion and you have given yours, so we will just have to leave it at that. Regardless, this is a thread to discuss the interview and the false narrative, not what you think other people accept or don’t accept. The are entitled to their views, and we should respect that. Thanks for your cooperation and let’s keep it classy! Have a good one!
~Sincerely Yours xoxo,
a Lover of True, Fair, and Fun Balance.
xavvypls
Blizzard have confirmed that massrezz is not coming back with the latest sec update. Just let it go already…
Can we pin a sticky on the forums regarding Mass ress? Just to avoid duplicate threads every 3 weeks.
Yes, it was unhealthy for the game
No, it wasnt only because “its unfun to play against”
No, its not the same as DPS ults, those have counters.
No, something having no counters is not good for the game.
Yes, we know not everybody agrees but thats how everything works.
No, spamming the forums and repeating something over and over wont make it true.
Thanks for your compliance.
Oh I’m sorry, but I’m afraid I’m going to have to disagree with you both there. I believe it’s most definitely coming back, and the possibility is still very much there. They also said that Deathmatch isn’t going to happen, right? And yet… We now have it as a game mode, don’t we?
There is still no official statement from them that says “it’s not coming back”, and no I’m sorry, but a pro streamer saying it on twitch, still doesn’t count as proof. And even if the dev did say it, as I’ve stated in the past, they go back on their word all the time. Even Jeff made a statement about how they don’t want to say something as final because “there has been history of them going back on their word.” It’s all uncertainty, and this will be no different.
Its business as usual. But hey! I respect your views on thinking that it won’t come back, you are certainly free to hold that opinion and I’m not going to try and convince you otherwise. I will still vouch for mass res to make an eventual return, and I will still voice my opinion on her current state.
Never say never
~Sincerely Yours xoxo,
a Lover of True, Fair, and Fun Balance.
xavvypls