Reversing that flow like this isn’t going to satisfy anyone. Competitive and Quick Play will just meet in the middle. Removing the golden weapons and encouraging a healthier perception of rank might be worth a try though.
We do not live in a perfect world unfortunately. This does not preclude designing the system to minimise misuse. Sticking to easily verified rules is an easy way to do this.
No, just good old ostracism. Server operators could kick, temporarily ban, and permanently ban players from their server. You had the same community abuse you see under Blizzard’s current system but because kicked and/or banned players could still go to other servers or start a server of their own, those who abused the bans could be easily avoided and like-minded players flocked together and made communities. Toxicity was also less of an issue simply because you had to be “polite” (dependent on the server culture) if you wanted to play on that server. Of course, this framework is incompatible with the consistent experience that Blizzard want to present.
Arcade is rarely close to the same gamemode as Quick Play and it is much harder to change a culture than to establish a new one. This is why I proposed Unranked.
My apologies for the passive-aggressiveness of that last quoted remark. I have unfounded Opinions of those who play Unranked which I shouldn’t.
It is significant if you care about evidence and due process. You cannot appeal an action for which the evidence is “Well, you got reported. Don’t you know why?”
My apologies, I should have been clearer. The player in A) is a poor teammate. The player in B) has poor teammates. It worries me that the onus of teamwork will be placed on the player in B) rather than their teammates.
The decision to play Reinhardt did not help my team to win. A player might make the argument that I could have played a hero I had more experience with (Orisa, say) and my hypothetical team could have won sooner. Making that decision didn’t actually change the result but it was reportable under the definition.
You cannot use the outcome to judge a player over an unrepeatable event. If your report is neither justified nor unjustified until the game ends, it is essentially reporting a player for the team’s loss.
I see the meaning of “it’s only QP, you tryhard” as dependent on what it’s said in response to. Not particularly polite, of course, but it may be forgivable depending on the original remark.
I too have not heard of anyone being banned for not playing meta but I have read a few of the one-trick threads. I expect this is due to the existence of easier scapegoats, not of any virtue on the part of the playerbase and I would still like to be able to play Symmetra occasionally.
No. My point is that the community norms around the Poor Teamwork report insist that it has far wider coverage than is defined and that the only thing presently preventing abuse is that it is not considered to cover Quick Play. Practically, I expect you could report your entire team for their hero choices every game in Quick Play and receive a few messages informing you that your reports were appreciated. I think it would take a while for you to face any consequences as well.
I would ask you again to please quote my posts in full; a lot of the context is lost by selectively quoting.
The point is that you are then reasonably justified in concluding that it’s a false report and discarding it or warning the reporting player. I don’t see enough threads complaining about being falsely banned for malicious reporting to have any faith that malicious reporting is punished, especially given how many players have admitted to false-reporting (under the rules as written) in the one-trick threads.
The idea that players who just play for fun would enjoy playing with those who most enjoy dominating other players is unfounded. There have been 20-mins no rush games and “realistic” mods in every RTS for a reason.
The reason they go into Quick Play is that it is the default mode. For most players it is Overwatch. I wouldn’t mind CTF having a larger role personally, but I am a Tribes fan.
We disagree because there’s a difference between making a choice and having a team who feel justified in making your choice for you without appeal. The one-trick threads are a good example of what this is like.
Prior to the recent Mercy nerfs, teams without Mercy were considered to have a severe disadvantage. Unsurprisingly, this lead to an expectation that every team would have a Mercy. This did, in fact, redefine poor teamwork as “not playing Mercy”.
In the example, a single player reported the other five. I would argue that the other five players are more justified in counter-reporting that player for poor teamwork than that player was in reporting them in the first place. Oddly enough, reporting for poor teamwork can be an indication of a poor teammate.
Teamwork can most certainly be one-sided. I had a memorable game on Hollywood (with a 6 DPS comp) where we didn’t even manage to capture the point. Two players kept asking for a healer the entire game; neither of them were the player who eventually switched to Moira in the last 60 seconds. This seems like one-sided teamwork to me. I also find it hard to believe that either of them would be playing healer if poor teamwork was punishable but very easy to believe that every other teammate would have been reported. This is despite the team indicating fairly clearly (6 DPS comp!) that we were not especially concerned with winning.
That’s pretty awful but still not a machine-gun/butter-knife disparity. They do still have a chance.
I did not intend to imply that you or any other participant of this thread might believe “composition is everything”. I merely intended to express that I believe too many players give up before the game is lost (leavers, for example).
I certainly agree that compromising your team in a team gamemode is poor teamwork. I disagree that it should be reportable because I see it as a change that empowers the kind of player who reports their team when they lose.
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Unless they have anxiety issues, I maintain that it would be easier to find a group to play with. If you could give me a better idea of the difficulties involved it would help me understand.
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I didn’t mean to impugn their ingame efforts, I merely observed that the same effort that shows through in their posts could have been put into slightly different posts which solved their issue.
Apologies for the long post, it seems to be becoming a habit. 
