🙄 It's ironic

[Sly-13591]

“muh feelz” was not the only reason she was reworked.

Eh Blizzard could have phrased it better and never brought up feelings in the first place.

They sorta dug themselves into this.

It’s why we STILL see “X is unfun to play against!! Rework/Nerf!!” On this forum.

It’s true that Blizz could have handled it better. That’s to be said about pretty much anything honestly, poor word choice.

But the fact still remains that they explained other reasons beyond it. Anyone who cries out that “this was their only reason and it’s BS” is just playing willful ignorance. (Especially after being part of the conversation for the entirety of the past 2 years)

It’d be more accurate to say that the SR system incentivised it

If that was the entire story, Blizzard could have fixed that by just lowering the weight of Res’s in the calculations. Obviously they wouldn’t spend the months to think out a rework when the solution was to just tweak a number. Unfortunately on the flip side, because they were spending time on the rework, it seems they felt they didn’t need to take the time to adapt the entire matchmaker to deal with something that wouldn’t even be around for long.

Besides, if such a strat didn’t work at all like people claim, then people wouldn’t have kept doing it. Doesn’t matter how it effects SR, a loss is still a loss.

I’m pretty sure Resurrect as a whole is always going to incentivise hiding because that is one of the easiest ways to guarantee the most value out of your ultimate.

Exactly. That’s exactly why they changed it. No amount of nerfs or minor tweaks would change the fact that the most value you could get out of Mass Res was by reversing a near team wipe, and in order to do so, you needed to make an effort to survive separate from your team. Which means, no matter what, in theory the best option to choose would always be to just run off and hide when things get hairy and just fly in when the dust settles.

The devs recognized this, so they didn’t just stop at “minor tweaks,” they came up with an entirely new way to use Res, one that forces Mercy to stay on the battlefield the entire time.

we already know that this strategy flopped so much, they had to give buffs to Mercy’s mass Res.

Mercy was being buffed because Ana was so dominant at the time. It wasn’t so much that Res needed anything, they were just looking for more to give her. And since they couldn’t exactly buff GA or her beams, and a pistol buff would quite honestly be pointless, they didn’t really have any other option but to pull a Res buff out of nowhere.

[HoldW-1966]

I’m really sorry you need the power of a button to have impact in your games and get any enjoyment out of a game.

[YorhaUnit8S-2384]

Of course, there’s always more to it than just “press button = teamkill”. In fact, getting a 5 man kill with a single ult is phenomenally rare.

But that applied to Mercy’s multirez, too.

Except it didn’t. Mass rez had literal immunity during it’s cast. Also, as I said above, dead teammates are a much easier target than well and alive enemies. You press the button around dead teammates - it works. You do the same with Reaper and 5 enemies - a lot of things can go wrong (stuns, boops, shields, defense matrix, headshot from a sniper, burst damage… the list goes on).

So, no, unless you want to make mass rez an ult that can be stopped mid-cast in a large number of ways - it is not comparable.

[Potatoad-21404]

Well, if you find most of Mercy’s gameplay unappealing, then I still don’t think Mass Rez is really the answer. Even if I liked or enjoyed Mass Rez, a character that feels bad to play until they get their ultimate, and then goes back to feeling bad sounds like a bad time.

Make Mercy’s normal gametime more interesting instead.

[HypoHorntail-1246]

Name 1 hero who can do that? Who can kill 5 people by just pressing a button?

Of course, there’s always more to it than just “press button = teamkill”. In fact, getting a 5 man kill with a single ult is phenomenally rare.

Hey, even in bronze, miracles can happen.

More to the point, I came to the game after Mass Rez was removed, so I admit I don’t know what playing with that OR against it felt like, but during a very, very, very brief time of trying out different heroes I did play some post-rez Mercy.

I’m going to be honest with you, it was singlehandedly the most stressful experience of my gaming life, trying to juggle heals and damage and not die while rezzing. I don’t know how legitimate Mercy mains handle the pressure.

[QuizzyBunny-2512]

I’m online y’know, just find me.

[GreenTrotsky-1332]

In what world do you buff that rez by giving invincibility frames to her and her entire team, and then delete the entire ability instead of taking that away?

The way to do it was to take back invincibility, and then have her rez them all at 50% health or something instead of 100%, and reduce the time the skulls stay so she can’t hide and rez.

[anon23134087]

Using reapers ult requires cd tracking, positioning and more often than not help from your team.

Junks tire can be killed and requires you to know good paths for the tire and steering all while leaving you immobile and vulnerable.

Also, both of these ults rarely get more than 1-2 kills.

Mercy could easily rez a team by hiding or some times right from spawn. Ultimate generation was faster than any dps ultimate, so she had res pretty much every fight.

[RightHandElf-1297]

It can be balanced by changing how frequently you can do it or how powerful the rest of her kit is. If she had nothing to her kit but mass rez on a 120 second cooldown, you’d literally never pick her. The problem was that it encouraged her to hide in a corner and let her team die, and there was little counterplay for the enemy team. It can be balanced and still be bad for the game.

[PezLex-1235]

At what point is it spam to make the same topic with a slightly different title practically daily smh.

[Kethcup-1697]

it’s unacceptable for a video game character to be left in a state that isn’t fun or engaging to play.

Jeff from the overwatch team, we’ve decided to remove healers and tanks because a majority of players found them unfun to play.

[Ijekiel-2635]

If that was the entire story, Blizzard could have fixed that by just lowering the weight of Res’s in the calculations

They did it one month before the rework. Sounds like they’d didn’t even notice what it was encouraging before this…

Obviously they wouldn’t spend the months to think out a rework

We don’t know how long they took but given how absurdly broken she was after this rework, I’d say, they didn’t think for too long…

solution was to just tweak a number

I mean… It’s not like it wasn’t the solution. We wouldn’t know since they decided to implement this solution right after announcing her rework.

it seems they felt they didn’t need to take the time to adapt the entire matchmaker to deal with something that wouldn’t even be around for long.

They did end up fixing it though? One month before the rework.

Besides, if such a strat didn’t work at all like people claim, then people wouldn’t have kept doing it

It’s because, the few times it did work, people would get rewarded with a huge amount of SR. Of course, people seeing this, would completely disregard the effectiveness of said strategy and just try to maximise their winnings.

Doesn’t matter how it effects SR, a loss is still a loss.

I’m pretty sure anyone would continuously use a strategy that worked sometimes so they can maximise their winnings.

Exactly. That’s exactly why they changed it

This applies to current res as well? Let’s not pretend as if hiding still doesn’t happen because it quite literally does. The only difference is when it happens. Before, it was before a teamfight. Now, it’s during the teamfight.

No amount of nerfs or minor tweaks would change the fact that the most value you could get out of Mass Res was by reversing a near team wipe

Nope. Tempo ressing had just as much value as getting a 5 man. Numerical value isn’t the only value in the game.

and in order to do so, you needed to make an effort to survive separate from your team

You’re acting as if there’s only two options here: separate from your team or never Res a lot of people. The reality is, there are always going to be ways for you to maximise your numerical value for Res whilst also staying with your team. Hiding was just a shortcut - one that, again, almost always flopped.

Which means, no matter what, in theory the best option to choose would always be to just run off and hide

It most definitely is not the best option. Unless you think letting your team intentionally die in a fight so you can revive them for the next one makes any logical sense other than “I just want a lot of resses to inflate my stats”. Also, again, you don’t need to hide to get a big res. Im pretty sure her mobility is given to her for this very reason. With all the escape options she has, hiding shouldn’t even be considered, unless there’s an alternative incentive to adopt such a trash gameplay style.

The devs recognized this, so they didn’t just stop at “minor tweaks,”

Their argument consisted of “Hide n Res”, which conveniently lead to “its unfun to play against”. One is just ridiculous and the other can be fixed with tweaks.

they came up with an entirely new way to use Res, one that forces Mercy to stay on the battlefield the entire time.

Forces is a pretty strong word. Especially when you consider that some Mercies still do Hide to pull of their resses. An example would be if your teammate got picked off near enemy back lines. These players would just hide and wait for the enemy team to focus on their team in the front lines so they can pull said Res. Of course, this is pretty specific but it goes to show that hiding is always going to exist if Resurrect exists.

Mercy was being buffed because Ana was so dominant at the time. It wasn’t so much that Res needed anything

In the developer comments, they said that she was getting a buff to Res because she kept on dying. It hardly had anything to do with Ana.

And since they couldn’t exactly buff GA or her beams

They buffed it to 60 though. The HP buff is more related to Ana. Not the Res buff.

they didn’t really have any other option but to pull a Res buff out of nowhere.

Disagree.

[Ijekiel-2635]

You didn’t add this account on PS4.

[Megadodo-11847]

Current Mercy: statistically balanced, but disheartening to play as and is being used in a way the devs never intended

I agree that she is well balanced at this time

That said, I dont ever find her to be disheartening to play, and I dont ever see her being used in an unintended way.

[Meowjoker-1311]

3

3 ******* years!

Jesus how many times do we have to teach this lesson op?!?

insert that spongebob meme here pls

[Serendipity-11213]

I’ll be honest. I don’t think mass rez should come back. Once they removed it, it was gone and should stay that way.

However, they could have made is much more counterable before they changed just about her entire kit. They could have added los checks, made barriers block it, reduce the range, increased the time, made it take longer…etc. etc. It’s only annoying that they never even tried to fix it and instead just threw the baby out with the bathwater.

They’re good at doing that to Mercy. Instead of “let’s see how this will work” they like to just wallop her all over the place. She’s still doing too much healing. Let’s buff just about every support AND nerf Mercy again. The buffs to the others might have been enough. They might not have, but we will never know, because they never tried it out.

[Silawatsi-1430]

3

3 ******* years!

Jesus how many times do we have to teach this lesson op?!?

insert that spongebob meme here pls

When they removed mass rez, they unleashed a curse on the forums. Formerly docile Mercy mains were transformed into beasts of rage and pain, and will haunt these halls until consoled with a rework ceremony.

You’ll never be free of us. Neveeeeeer

[YorhaUnit8S-2384]

Hey, here I feel you and agree. I am an ex D.Va main, and she got full Blizzard treatment too.

[Kojeun-1709]

I replied to the wrong person blizzard, just let me amend my mistake ;_;

[Serendipity-11213]

lol, I was curious what you were meaning to imply by that response