Considering that Bastion is literally a robot designed for the purpose of mass-murder in lore and has a freaking Gatling Cannon on his back, the art and lore kind of point to that. It wouldn’t make sense if some fat guy with a hook dealt more damage than he did.
From a gameplay perspective, Bastion offers no utility, no healing to allies, no mobility, no AoE damage outside of his ultimate, and no barriers or any form of team damage mitigation. He’d damn well better be blowing everyone else’s damage out of the water.
Honestly, I don’t play Bastion much, but when I do play him, he’s not that far off being good, IMO.
I feel sentry mode is fine, In fact I use it the most It seems, it’s really versatile.
Tank mode is great when nothing blocks your shots, like tac visor in that sense. My main gripe is the shell velocity being too slow, so people have time to dodge, so increase it’s speed. Also, maybe give him his armour back in his ult, it is an ult.
Finally there’s the turret. It’s meant to be the defacto tank killer, so I don’t mind the spread so it doesn’t counter squishes. The problem is, you can’t kill tanks faster than their team kills you. Now, Blizz wouldn’t want to make him more survivable again, in case they make unkillable bastion again, which although not fully his fault, left a scar that few want to revisit. That leaves option two of decreasing ttk on tanks. So it’s simple, increase base damage till he can kill tanks faster than the enemy can kill him, whatever that may be.
Why was the Tracer so close to the Bastion? You shouldn’t be able to stand in front of a Bastion while not behind a shield, and live. Would you stand in front of an active minigun?
Sentry is turret mode, did you mean Recon at first?
Damage isn’t really his limiting factor, it’s his spread. If his spread were smaller, he could kill tanks much easier because he could actually hit his shots instead of missing 70% of them at 35 meters (source. Technically he would hit more than that because tanks are bigger, but it’s probably fairly close)… I’d much rather have lower consistent damage than larger inconsistent damage…
I meant recon sorry. I get confused between the modes all the time lol.
The problem with lower spread is, it helps kill squishes too. A tank buster doesn’t need good spread, just look at Reaper. Plus, certain numbers will still have an impact despite the spread. Imagine if he had say, 1000 dps.
That’s why the lower base damage was suggested, so that he doesn’t kill them as fast…
I think that just buffing his DPS until he can kill tanks fast is a bad way to go about it. He’d instantly destroy barriers, and it’s just sloppy.
Plus, saying “No, you can’t kill squishies, only tanks” isn’t very fair to him. Everyone else is good at killing squishies, why can’t Bastion? Yeah, he used to kill them pretty quick, but he’d also die really quick if he messed anything up. His balance is supposed to come from the fact that if you make a mistake, you’re dead. Same-ish as Widow’s, and same as Hanzo used to be. With Ironclad, that’s not the case anymore though, he’s a tiny bit better at surviving, but he can’t do any damage…
There can be major problems when a hero has severe power fluctuations via an incredibly high base Dps, who can double it (or 50%, whatever) Even if it takes skill- the issue comes from having such wildly different performance capabilities.
Bad bastions will be bad.
Good bastions will instantly delete you.
With little inbetween. This is already an issue for some heroes.
I’ll just toss it out there because it’s not really explicitly stated in the OP, this is basically “Lower base DPS, higher max DPS” or “Higher base DPS, lower max DPS”. Both are a lower base/max DPS than he has now (he has 450 theoretical base and max DPS currently, though he doesn’t actually do 450 because of his very high spread).
I would rather have bastion deleted from the game because he’s extremely flawed and will always be cancerous as long as they keep his current form.
But that can’t be done
Yes, but at what range? Sombra is meant to be used at close range, she can get up close to the enemies with her legs and invisibility. Bastion doesn’t have that option, he has to sit in one spot. That, or he has to walk up to the enemy, and then spend 1 second doing absolutely nothing setting up for high damage.
Also, Bastion’s spread is 11.11% larger than Sombra’s (Or Sombra’s is 10% smaller than Bastion’s, it depends on how you want to look at it). They were the same until they decided that 3 degrees was too much for a hero that is supposed to get point blank with invisibility, so they reduced her spread by 10%. Bastion wasn’t so lucky.
I was going to quote a few things, but I ended up using pretty much everything you said so I removed it…
Thank you. So many people just look at his DPS on paper, and call it a day, think he’s OP. This isn’t the case, it’s really nice to see someone else that sees that, especially someone who isn’t a Bastion main/player (kinda assuming that part. I’m fairly confident you’re not a Bastion main, but I don’t know about player). Also nice to see it from someone who’s very well regarded in the community.
Anyway, thanks again. Not sure if you’d care, but if you want numbers to back yourself up, here’s a thread containing some, not sure if you’ve come across it before or not. Bastion's real damage output (kinda)
Something I never understood is the absolutely massive cooldowns people put on theoretical abilities… Not trying to be a jerk, but I never understood why people always go for like 20 or 30 seconds… That’s a LONG time. I mean yeah, what you described is a fairly powerful ability, but I think if anything justifies that long of a cooldown, it should probably be an ultimate…
Again, not trying to like completely shoot you down, I kinda like the idea, just something I’ve noticed that I don’t really get…
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