Instead of nerfing Rein, as much so some forum users claim it to be, how should they buff them back into viability without that double barrier synergy?
I’m really curious about this one, many say it, but they seem clueless of how to not cause a double barrier meta again.
What are the aspects of the synergy that shouldn’t be brought back then?
Edit: Nerfing Mei could make Dive a counter to double barrier, but then Dive would be dominant again, prepare to be displaced around frequently.
Or, they could let the meta play out. Like what’s the point of a meta if it’s only gonna stick around for a week?
I’d want Dive coming back, but with buffs to DPS and nerfs to supports. Tanks are fine right now.
its not the answer at all.
the only answer is nerf mei, which will open the tank roster.
everything else is just dancing around the problem. nerfing orisa and sigma was just dancing around the problem.
Lower the rate Kinetic Grasp turns damage into shields, and give Sigma some guaranteed shields when he uses it. That’d make him less gimmicky.
I still think we need some sort of barrier conflict, where there’s a slight health reduction to them if multiple barriers are on the team.
That, or a character that thrives off barriers (like Sym beam or something even more potent.) Though, I fear characters like that, meant to counter an entire meta, just look at Brig, so maybe not lol
Could always just buff things that aren’t their barriers, but their other abilities.
That actually sounds like an interesting idea, I could see it work
or we could allow dive to be viable, which punishes a team over committing to front line defenses, and we will never see double barrier again.
Up his base HP to 500 and let him use Kinetic Grasp during his ultimate. That way he’d be tankier, making him less reliant on Orisa’s peel, without buffing his barrier.
Sounds reasonable, but Sigma and Orisa comps also commit to front line defenses, are we making it a dualism instead of a triad? No more Rock Paper Scissors, it’s just A is stronger than B this week, next week B is stronger than A again and we alternate?
you couldnt run Orisa sigma if dive were viable. you would have to drop the sigma for a hog.
this would necessitate an orisa revert, because she used to be pretty good against dive.
Nerf Mei and steadfast.
I can’t tell you what sigma needs because i don’t play him a lot
Orisa deserves lower shield cd
Wasn’t bunker weaker against Dive and stronger against brawl/deathball?
Orisa got steamrolled by dive. Bunker and double barrier only happened because blizzard decided dive could never be viable again ever
Wasn’t the game triad this:
Dive - mobile
Brawl/Deathball - sustain
Bunker - stationary with ranged poke dmg
And Dive good against Bunker, that was good against Deathball that was good against Dive?
Bunker didn’t play against deathball so i wouldn’t know. During dive bunker was only point A defense and occasionally Nepal sanctum whereas deathball was only on kings row and like, Lijiang. They didn’t really overlap but bunker crumbled if it got wiped once.
Have it so there is the concept of “barrier field interference”, where if a barrier or barrier tanks get within a certain proximity of each other, then the barrier health is reduced.
This way, Single Barrier is strong, without Double Barrier being too strong.
Revert all the nerfs and let us try out 1-3-2
See, here’s the thing: Double barrier will and should happen.
That is, it should if we add more counters to barriers.
That means buffing Sombra, Bastion, and Symmetra to enable them to kill barriers faster while allowing Double Barriers to be a good idea if those heroes aren’t used.
Maybe they could buff Pharah too, since she could technically shoot around shields at angles where the shield can’t protect.
Ew, solo tanking is vomit
But wouldn’t it make these DPS participate in the mirror matches of these comps?
Like Orisa Sigma, bastion and symmetra mirror matches?