Personally I think they did a fantastic job of balancing all the supports rn. They all feel they have a place and an opportunity to be used even in the current meta you can play them all without throwing.
I just think it comes down to the tank counter rn…
Hero’s like Mei, reaper, doomfist, hanzo only allow a couple tanks to be played.
Before everyone says bap is too strong… He’s really only good with bunker. Immortality field looses alot without a stagnant team.
He actually works pretty well with Rein/Zarya. Tossing the lamp in as Rein drops his shield or to bridge Zarya bubble cooldowns works really well.
Overall, it does look like supports are in a decent place. As the current patch matures, we’ll probably see the need for some number adjustments. Thinking Moira might need a recharge rate adjustment, but too early to tell.
Agreed, I’ve gotten a chance to play every healer well this patch. Playing tank is still kind of a nightmare tho, especially the dive tanks.
Personally I think this patch was a great step in the right direction, but it seems like everyone forgets why these sustain heavy comps are played in the first place. I know they said they dont want to but alot of these Anti Goats buffs really should be reverted.
All the healers are in a great spot imo
Tanks are still kind of annoying. We’re seeing more diversity with the shield nerfs, basically every tank except Winston/Dva is getting more playtime. For the dive tanks to be viable again though, there need to be nerfs to Reaper and Mei, and then everything will be a little more balanced
But triple/quad (which sometimes included double sniper) DPS countered goats.
But no, pretty much all metas were dictated by tank, and a few by supports. Double sniper is maybe the one exception and I personally felt that grav was more important than dragon in grav dragon. But Das jis me.
Though I will say I think this update proved nerfing shield health doesn’t solve the problems they pose. They can’t be too weak or too strong, and I don’t think it’s realistic to expect an actual balance.
I think all shields except Rein’s need more counterplay, weakspots you can shoot to take them down more quickly. For example, Winston’s barrier should be destructible if you shoot the generator on the inside, this way you could take it down more quickly. They could compensate by giving Winston some kind of alt fire. Orisa’s generator sits behind the barrier on the ground, so being able to shoot it to bring it down makes sense.
Sigma, he either needs weakspots while it’s being deployed, or have it not block any damage until it’s deployed, because this makes him vulnerable until it is set.
When it comes to damage though, I just think certain heroes will never be balanced as they are. Mainly Reaper, his kit needs to be fully reworked so he’s actually good at Flanking and killing Tanks. Like some kind of crazy child of the Scout and Spy from TF2.
Ill agree he isnt good with dive. Hard to hit your heals on a bunch of mobile heroes and there are better choices. But he is great with rein/zarya as tanks. Any comps where the tanks are not dive, and the dps isnt like tracer and doom/genji and bap would be great. He doesnt need it to be bunker, just slower comps.
Huh, yeah, you are right there, it was designed as a nerf to moblity heroes, but, yes, it will help against barrier dancing.
I don’t think it will be nearly enough, but you are right, there IS a buff there.
I just cry every time someone says “piercing” is a buff against winston, it is like, you don’t even manage to freeze one person, what the hell makes you think you will freeze 2 people?
But yeah, I really wouldn’t recommend Winston vs Mei. She doesn’t freeze you outright, but Winston has enough trouble unfreezing himself that you usually have to bail before you get anything done or get frozen.
I like the idea of D.va being able to protect dive teams from Mei so she’s not such a gatekeeper. It’d also help Sigma but I think he’ll still be countered by her.
Generally no, but, when it is part of Winston / D’va and 2 flankers jumping on the support, Mei isn’t going stop any of them, nor will she save the support.
All you have done taking Mei is have one less person who can counter dive the enemy… so YOUR dive is less effect than their dive is.
Lucio was by FAR the better defence vs dive, in that as they jump in, he speed boosts the Zen the hell out of there. That worked pretty well. It was his job in dive .
He then also would then try to slow down the ever present Tracer, since the fight wasn’t totally one sided.
But mostly, his job was to press speed boost the very moment they saw the Winston jump, so they wouldn’t be where the dive landed.
But now Mei can freeze the Winston and D.va at the same time. Lucio can speed his whole team, Mei can slow all the divers instead now. And she can do stuff like fight Genji at range, which she couldn’t before.
Mei would still counter dive if freeze was matrixable, but not D.va Winston dive as much, which is an extremely inpopular combo right now. Hammond still would hardly be playable into Mei.
I ACTUALLY think the real counter to dive is 2-2-2. No one will queue to be the supports who’s job it is to be food for both the tanks and flankers.
No games = no dive.
I wouldn’t queue for it, unless I was IN a team, but the combo of 2-2-2 AND stopping higher ranked players from grouping up more than 3 people at a time?
No one is going to queue for that mess. “Someone else can support”
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