I hate how people see Bastion as an opportunity not a threat in FFA

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But I’m not arguing that he isn’t UP?

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Here are 2 polls what people think should be buffed and the amount of people that responded should be good enough to show you people do want him buffed which means they don’t think he’s “unfun”. If they thought he were “unfun” they wouldn’t have voted.

Non-Bastion Players:

Bastion Players:

Also here’s this gigantic thread: Bastion is being forgotten with over 3k posts and 265 likes

Here’s this thread about reverting Bastion sentry on the old forums with 272 likes and 40 dislikes: Overwatch Forums

So yeah, hundreds of people who care enough to respond and who also want a buff have responded in more than one place. That’s a good indicator that people who care enough to even talk about Bastion don’t find him unfun to play against. The one on the old forums is an even better way to show this because it’s 272 vs 40 in favor of old Bastion.

There have been actual polls on if people think he needs changes and there were hundreds of responses and multiple threads with massive amounts of likes and one that’s 3k+ posts long.

Wrecked.

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'Fraid to say it, but a lone bastion is usually a free kill in any mode. Not just FFA.

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the number of people is irrelevant if you don’t know the percentage

dude
can you please stop using logical fallacies?
this is called the texas sharpshooter fallacy and it is a pretty good example of it

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Sure I’ll go do that.

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in response to “wrecked”:
“Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon… No matter how good you are, the bird is going to sh*t on the board and strut around like it won anyway”

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I don’t see your pieces though, they’re all missing. Just wait a moment until I make the poll.

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ok, what pieces?
EDIT: I am arguing that it would not be healthy for the game for bastion to be meta. I am not dismissing your claim, but your two arguements have fallen victim to logical fallacies.
Please keep in mind the potential bias involved in surveying when you do it
20 char

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I don’t want him meta I want him not F tier.

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It is ok for Widow and Tracer to be cheese that only works in extremely specific situations and should otherwise be useless for average gameplay.

Prove me wrong without undoing your comments on bastion.

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This Zarya guy is probabaly salty because on the off chance he runs into a Bastion his bubbles are rendered useless for protecting teammates and only useful for charge

Also bastion needs some love… don’t think I’ve ever seen someone play bastion serioulsy at my rank unless it’s on junkertown attack…and even then it’s rare with how storm arrows shut down bastion atm amd hanzo is hardcore meta

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This is actually the strawman logical fallacy. I never commented on whether widow or tracer were cheese.
By saying “prove me wrong” you are commiting the burden of proof logical fallacy
I think that widow is pretty cheese (unfun) because I can’t do anything, same about good tracers but she is up rn with brig so its good

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Bastion can be a really good hero in FFA if you know what you’re doing. I’ve played him several times and caused LOTS of players to tilt. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Here: https://www.strawpoll.me/15802312

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Ok, how are you planning to administer the survey?

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I put it on the 3k Bastion thread and I also put it on the front page. I can’t think of anywhere else to put it to get more exposure, do you know how?

It’s also here I guess

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There were three possibilities here:

  1. They both turn on you. They stand a chance of not dying.

  2. They keep fighting each other. One or both get killed by you.

  3. One turns on you, the other keeps fighting the other. One or both get killed by you.

Seems to me like they were both just smart.

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Babby’s first argument 101. I’m impressed you somehow strawmanned a strawman, let me clarify your error.I did not say you said that.

What I have done is asserted that condemning those two heroes to the same treatment as Bastion is inherently flawed. My only mistake was assuming you held some attachment to them, but I’m sure if we swing the hammer far enough we’ll hit something sensitive.

As I stated I equivocated Widow and Tracer becoming/staying extremely niche to your statements on Bastion. You’ve provided your proof: it’s not fun to deal with Bastion therefore he should stay niche/mostly useless.

I realize now I should’ve worded it differently: Do you think the “It’s not fun to deal with” is a good reason to treat any or every hero in the game like Bastion?

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“My only mistake was assuming you held some attachment to them”
Misrepresenting my view/arguement, when you said “it is ok…” that wording sounded like you said that I believed that.

The way it was worded it basically made it so that if I didn’t prove you wrong, I would have a double standard. Plus, I didn’t have to provide my proof and it still would have been a fallacy, I chose to.

I am kinda iffy/ leaning towards the fact that I didn’t use a strawman, but more of your wording didnt match what you wanted to say. FYI: Whenever someone makes a condescending ad homenin in the opening they lose a lot of credibility in my eyes

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yes because the point of video games is to have fun, but “it’s not fun to deal with” is wildly subjective unfortunately
Heroes like bastion and torbjorn are really unfun to play against in lower ranks, what if they become meta in higher ranks? Then they become unfun for the whole playerbase and worse for the people in the lower ranks.

Fortunately, heroes like tracer and widow (you could say genji but brig lol) are only really unfun in HIGHER ranks, but they are still cheese.

However, bastion is unfun for much more of the player base than tracer and widow. Now, imagine, if he became buffed, and played a lot more and was a lot stronger. That would only make it worse for lower ranks, and the higher ranks would still have a cheese character. No different than widow and tracer, except this cheese would become worse for the rest of the playerbase