Rein-zarya or double shield? Doesn’t matter, hanzo is still the worst dps. Why we nerfed this guy? Being anything than a meme hero is bad for the game? He spend so much time in the trashcan only to return there a couple of months after being viable? He is not inconsistent anymore, he is beyond that. He is junkrat with arrows since your aim doesn’t mean anything if your arrow is slower than doomfist’s punch.
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He has his uses, but most of the time it’s the bull poop hit detection on his arrows that are the problem. Random head shots on very large hit detection. Though his sonic arrow can be huge team advantage.
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He’s the 5th most used DPS in GM.
And for overall pickrates, his is higher than Widow.
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i dont think youve played hanzo. I also dont think you know much about projectiles.
Hanzo has the smallest projectile like Genji.
Random headshots are worse now because of them slowing down the arrow speed. But i actually believe this was a great change tbh.
His sonic arrow is ok, it will never have the same affect like widows walls.
If they were to buff hanzo i think storm arrow should go back to 8 seconds. No damage buffs
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Probably just revert arrow speed and that’s it
But he’s far from worse DPS
And as a Hanzo hater
I’m glad
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widow got reverse powercrept. Ashe is better than her now. Hanzo just got overnerfed hard
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DPS currently worse than Hanzo (from worst DPS in game to just below Hanzo):
Bastion
Reaper
Junkrat
Sym
Pharah
Soldier
Sombra
Doomfist
Genji
Torb
Cannot be F tier if 10 DPS are worse than you.
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Symm has basically been viable for 2 weeks since her release 4 years ago.
It’s hard to top this one.
Hanzo is far from being the worst lmao.
He could use a small buff, but not much.
He doesn’t have to be powercrept like Ashe.
I’d say we nerf her instead.
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Hanzo’s whole design doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense.
He has Sonic Arrow, which allows him to see enemies around corners, but this ability isn’t very useful.
If Hanzo is dueling a Widow, and the Widow is using a corner as cover, then Sonic Arrow can give Hanzo information on when she peeks. However, this application is limited by the projectile speed of the arrows. If the distance is too long, then the travel time will be significant, which means the information will not necessarily be reflective on the movement patterns of the Widow player. The Hanzo will then be at a disadvantage because Widow is a hitscan hero.
Hanzo could try getting closer to the corner Widow is using, but that has the drawback of putting the Hanzo out of position. If the tanks enable Hanzo to position himself like this, then they can counter the Widow directly, making Sonic Arrow pointless.
If Hanzo doesn’t use Sonic Arrow to duel, then the only other type of corner he can use it on is a high traffic corner. However, this is also a waste of Sonic Arrow because a team will usually send a Reinhardt, or any tank hero, past the corner first.
The best thing the developers could do for Hanzo, is just replace Sonic Arrow with a more useful ability (and give Sonic Arrow to some new hero that can actually do something interesting with it).
How is he the worst dps? He is leagues better than Genji.
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In what world is Hanzo worse than Sombra, Sym or Bastion?
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Hanzo is not the worst dps.
The only difference recently is that 50% of the time I play Ashe to get the dynamite explosion above the shields. Hanzo can still destroy shields without a problem.
They nerfed Hanzo but it had no big impact.
Grey… write a post about D.Va’s balance she’s the last picked tank in masters and 2nd to last in GM
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Sonic arrow is Hanzo’s best friend, it saved my life so many times.
If you have sonic arrow and corner peek correctly you have advantage over Widowmaker because your projectile still flying towards widow while you are already behind cover.
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I think tanking needs a redefinition, not just a balance tweak.
✅ Fixing BarrierTanks and OffTanks
D.va is in the ballpark where she needs to be, as evidenced by how she was full meta with the 3sec boosters.
If anything, the main thing that would help D.va is pushing the game to be more Dive focused.
DPS by comparison just needs a few tweaks here and there.
Also hero pools for GM/Masters start back up soon. So that should mix up the meta a bit.
Hanzo’s design made perfect sense.
He was designed to melt tanks.
- Inconsistent primary with charge up and movement speed reduction
- No self healing and only climb as “mobility”
- Projectile weapon with slow speed
but he also had
- Wide range sonic arrow allowing him to see enemy positions
- His climb ability, allowing him to get around chokes and flank
- Scatter arrow + high damage arrows allowing him to quickly delete easy to target heroes
The devs mentioned Scatter was designed to melt tanks. When they reworked his kit, they said the goal was to keep his power but help him feel more consistent and make dying to him feel less jarring (instant scatter from flank).
As with many things, that vision has changed again I guess and they nerfed him away from his “design” because they felt that he was being picked too much or was “too reliable”.
That trend sadly is something that will keep happening, I think. Lucio had his speed reduced so that he’d feel less impactful. Zenyatta his discord (now coming back, maybe). Hanzo’s damage. Brigitte’s armor. For some heroes it works out and they can remain relevant but others get left behind because their “strengths” don’t make up for their weaknesses and they often get left feeling “purposeless” or at best, a flavor pick you can choose outside of the top 3 meta picks.
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non of them is worse. torb is a-tier btw
you dont like hanzo but the truth is he should be good in this meta. yet he is hot garbage and if low ranks cant play him right then high ranks should. yet they dont, hanzo’s winrates are terrible. No hero should receive nerfs because he is picked a lot.
The projectiles (and hitboxes) in Overwatch are still huge. Just because they’re among the “smallest in the game” doesn’t mean they’re actually small. Huge is still huge.
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All of them are worse and Torb is viable (just not quite as good as Hanzo). They are about the same tier of hero but Hanzo is better. The first 5 or 6 heroes I listed are straight trash and then the 4 above are not terrible but not as good as Hanzo
By the way if you are going to cite pickrate, I think of every single hero I listed Hanzo has a higher pick rate then.
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Hmm, I think back when it was dragon combo, Mercy was still able to boost his dragons. Getting rid of that heavily reduced the effectiveness of drag combo (unless anti-nade). Also, having good shield break doesn’t mean the meta suits you (you mentioned Junkrat yourself). It isn’t ‘HIS’ meta just because he has shield break or grav-dragon is still a combo. Lots of characters can combo with grav and some have decent shield break too but they just aren’t really ‘meta’.
That being said, as others have mentioned. He’s not ‘trashcan’. He’s still pretty decent, leagues above some, just not necessarily meta.