How do you think he got into the dumpster in the first place? The game itself powercrept beyond his effectiveness. Genji stayed the same but you just couldnt deal with all the armour, cc, healing, etc anymore.
The problem wasnt just other dps heroes but rather heroes from all categories. Supports too. If you wanted Genji to be viable again without buffing him you’ll need to nerf a lot of heroes and that may not even do the trick since it only takes a few players pressing H in spawn to ruin him.
Not all tank mains for example are upset about the genji buff. I think it was totally fair even if it makes my life hell being farmed so much. But he should have an ult charge nerf to compensate because right now he’s getting it every fight.
I agree with this.
But atleast your favourite hero hasn’t been in the dumpster their entire lifespan.
He has always been an average hero not “trash”. Ignoring that thought, as long as the strength of nano blade exists he will never be “trash”.
There is also a difference between good and overcrept af
Because he’s way too good compared to the rest.
You don’t want other DPS to be viable, you want Genji to be viable. No, you want him overpowered.
bollocks
What we want is some consistency.
You can’t cry (the devs) “we nerf brig because she is too strong (across all ranks)” and at the same time make Genji one of the best DPS even in Silver, turning him into a low skill floor high skill ceiling hero.
Genji has been average or above over the last two years.
Blizzard is pushing for a meta shift towards dive. Dva buff, insane genji buff, brig nerf although this hurts tracers survivability it helps the rest of dive comp.
Genji who just got eliminated after buff : “?”
He wasn’t trash, he was average due to comps being more tanky. No DPS were good in goats, and then 2/2/2 happened, and we got goats light with Mei acting as the third tank, then Mei was nerfed to F-tier (about a D in OWL), and we got double shield with the odd dive in between.
The problem is, we were likely transitioning back into dive anyway. Genji wasn’t a bad hero, he just needed a squisher comp to deal with. Buffing him wasn’t necessarily a bad idea though, and I do agree that this forum has a nasty penchant to jerk a hero until they’re nerfed badly. However, I don’t think he needed as big a buff as he received. The Devs push to bring dive back is also way too obvious that the whole concept of balance has gone out the window.
i do agree that, in a way, a lot of the forums is bias against him, however i do feel like blizz may have overdone the buffs a tad,
They didnt conside the effect on his ult charge of buffing his damage
More firerate, More damage, and less spread gave him a lot of damage, i feel like the spread buff could go
however i think the deflect and 30 shuriken dmg were necesary, but the spread ones were a tad too much, especially wiht how quick he shoots
but this is just a strawmann and a exageration.
Doesn’t take much for most people to get comfortable with particular heroes.
Sombra Goats was great…
Its not just DPS. Its every hero. No one hero is allowed to be good for to long before being nerfed into the ground. Good thing is it seems to run in cycles. Like you get to be stupid OP for a few months, then become trash for an indeterminate amount of time, then you get your time in the sun again for a few months, then back to the trash bin again for another unknown amount of time. Rinse lather repeat.
No, that is the only stats you want to go by because you think they support your argument. They don’t. But, lets address the context.
GM is 1% of the players. That is it. So, balancing around GM is stupid.
In GM he was still a solid middle of the pack. Literally THE middle. So, not a trash hero even there. More than that, he was sitting at 2.9% pick rate. The % if all dps heroes were evenly picked would be less than 2%. So, he was actually picked more than the average. Again, not a trash pick.
When you get up to GM it favors team play and synergy more than individual hero strength. Genji is a very strong solo hero, but his design is not one that really supports a lot of team interaction. And, even with that major negative he was STILL middle of the pack. This indicates just how strong he was.
After he is now the top pick in ALL ranks, and in GM. And GM games are all being built around him (for and against). And that is still with him basically not working with the team. It is all about him just killing everyone. This is an indicator of how ridiculously OP he actually is.
So, you are right when you say context matters. You just are not actually taking context into account.
Thing is, it doesn’t. Nano helps all the heroes. The stronger the hero, the more powerful Nano is. Nano is multiplicative. Nano does not prop up weak heroes play, it encourages the strongest heroes play. Genji got Nano a lot BECAUSE he was already strong.
Correlation does not equal causation.
Ignoring everything that proves you wrong is not context.
And you are just wrong. They don’t actually support your claim.
No, he wasn’t. This is a old, and incorrect argument. Genji is not unique is farming an ult in preparation for a big attack. Nearly every hero does that. His ult is just stronger than all the other ones. But he was always capable even outside it.
He needs a LOT more than that to be balanced.
Nano is not a problem for other heroes. The problem is Genji.
That claim is contrary to facts.
Point of fact, he was low picked because he doesn’t play well with the team. He has very little team synergy. He is an extremely powerful solo hero, but not a team based hero. This is why he is played in ladder so much, but not in OWL all that much.
And they didn’t buff his team play. They didn’t make him work more with the team. They just buffed his solo power so much that he is so OP he has to be played now. Sure, it gets him OWL. But it also makes him broken OP.
It sucked. Sombra was bad through the entire ladder back then all up to GM, but she got nerfed anyways because some OWL teams managed to get an upset against a perceived better team using Sombra. Cant have that.
Funny thing is they nerfed her in the same patch which introduced 2-2-2 role lock which made playing goats impossible. She was in need of a buff and they dumpstered her further because of a hate mob which cant think rationally and is not interested in balance.
Creator Discord was a thing back then too so the same could have happened like now. I hope she can get some buffs now. Especially since the barriers biggest counter is Sombra.
these, pretty much
20 characters
I dont have any realistic hope that the devs ever make her viable. By design she scales as you climb in rank, but high lvl players dont like playing as her or against her. So they want her to be “balanced” to be barely usable at their ranks.
You would need a Sombra lobby in high ranks, but barely anyone plays her because how bad she is.
He was never trash. In fact, pro’s rallied so hard that he was trash, to the point the dev’s released the stats showing he was middle of the pack and doing just fine… so pro’s decided to prove the devs wrong and started one tricking him in comp in an attempt to do so. They found out pretty quick he was still strong, in double shield no less, a meta he wasn’t supposed to be strong in.
Agree to disagree, i do think some of the buffs to Genji were abit unnecessary, like the Deflect cancel, because it usually gives Genji the upper-hand with engagements like Ana, instead of using Deflect mindfully, now Genji players can correct their mistakes by canceling it. if there was a sound cue i would be fine with the cancel change, but right now I don’t like it too much.
I’m all for the rest of the buffs, just not the Deflect changes as of now.