[Feedback Thread Continued] Mercy Updates - Jan 30, 2018

[torey-11381]

I’m just imagining Mercy with Roadhog’s hook now.

[Illumielle-11805]

what if the E res is changed into temporary rez? make it instant but the rezzed person will eventually die within x sec, so kind of "you! dont die yet! help this push first! then you can die!"
AND! add the real resurrect onto valk, so the E during valk is her real resurrect.

so mercy dont really “undo” pick, more like adding some extra health when she’s not valk-ing, and as it supposed to be, rez is once again have a place on her valk.

it also answers the slowdown and cast part, making mercy’s movement once again fluid.

oh and… i dont know how it feels if you die, got resurrected, and dies the second time, will it be fun though…

Edit : OH! i just thought of something abusable, knowing he’s going to die anyway, junkrat maybe will always death-bombing himself onto the enemy.

[QuizzyBunny-2512]

BTW. According to Overbuff’s Monthly, Mercy is now 8.92%.

If you look at weekly she’s at 7,44 on PC. She’s about the same on Xbox but much higher on PS4 for some reason.

True, a new healer has been released since the rework, but has Mercy ever been this low? Even when she was considered a “troll-pick”?

[DreadedGhoul-2712]

I started early September on Overwatch 2017, so I never had the chance to try her first ultimate unfortunately.

[Brawl-2310]

She never really had a cast time. A long time ago (around S1) She couldn’t move after she used res for like 1s, but the Resurrect it self was always instant. They removed that as a quality of life change, but it didn’t threw her balance away. In fact, no buff to her was to much, although in my opinion some wouldn’t been necessary, even the invulnerability was okay.

The hate against Resurrect as an Ult increased exponentially after the discovery of the SR exploit and it’s circulation on youtube and that stuff.
There was no big hate or balance argue before that.

[Mike-2153]

your kinda lucky then you would be furious with the latest changes

[Brawl-2310]

AOE healing is not unique to Lucio because Moira can also do AOE healing. Ana also does AOE splash healing and Zenyatta does AOE healing in his ultimate only person that doesn’t do AOE healing would be Mercy.

Moira has Aoe healing as well, true. But it’s a different kind of Aoe healing, it’s more funnel shaped and is based on a difrent system (Needs a resource and has healing over time + more HP/s).

Zenyatta’s Aoe healing is an Ultimate with massive HP/s and that only for a short duration. You can’t really compare Abilities and Ultimates.

Mercy should have no Aoe healing because she doesn’t needs it. She has that constant, strong HP/s healing which non of the other supports have.

Mercy would give only a 15% damage boost to all surrounding targets and 30% to the main beam target. Whereas Zenyatta’s discord orb is 30% increased damage to a single target. Zenyatta’s discord orb stays on a target for as long as he keeps it on that hero or if they move out of sight and it will last 3 seconds before it is returned back to Zenyatta. He also has the ability to quickly switch his discord targets instantaneously giving him a lot more single target priority. Whereas Mercy’s damage boost would only last for 5 seconds as described in the OP and ultimately, would be affected by what she does with Valkyrie because she has to switch between healing and damage boosting something that Zenyatta doesn’t need to do.

The chain Dmgb is still way more effective than Discord, solely because it’s a dmg buff on all enemies. Even with only 15%.
Also, Zen would have to do way more actions to be as effective, while Mercy only needs to point at the center of her team and the flexibility of Valkyrie is exactly the thing which would kick him away.
And you know as well as i that a teamfight can be won in 5 seconds very easily.
You wouldn’t even need a second Ult with Grav, just use Valkyrie to buff everyone.

So… Mercy is tied with Moira (15M) in range of healing and the only person that doesn’t have longer healing is Lucio (10M). In the OP it says to give her 50% more range not double meaning she would need to be a lot closer than where she has to be on Live so Live version would be (30M) and in the Valkyrie E ability it would be (22.5M) meaning she would need to still be close enough to her team. If you are going to give her flight she needs to have the range or it’s going to be the same thing as if you used GA momentum into the air.

While your right that you need more range if you are in the air, I have to say that it has to much potential to be abused on the ground around corners or even in the air behind pillars, especially with Res as an Ult (this is why it would be bad for GA as well). Her range is long enough and should not be increased in any case.

If you are going to give her flight she needs to have the range or it’s going to be the same thing as if you used GA momentum into the air.

Do you mean the exploit? This is something which shouldn’t even work on flat surfaces.

Mercy is the only support in the game that can’t defend herself against flankers without having to whip out her pistol and that takes long enough on its own for you to swap between staff and pistol. So to make up for that I think having unlimited ammo wouldn’t be all that bad. It would promote Mercy players to make their own plays which is something that this hero needs. She is sooooo team reliant and the way people are suggesting her kit to look like is just making it, even more, team reliant. Having an ability that lets you decide what you want to do with it, is what Mercy needs and it’s something that she doesn’t need the team in order to utilize and can make her own plays. Team reliant abilities forces Mercy to be even more defensive she needs something to help out in the mid-fight something that she was lacking before this rework.

Okay the first part is more my personal opinion.
I play Mercy because i like to support my team and to empower them in the fight. Also i like her strong movement ability GA and AD. Quik thinking and flight maneuvering, just perfect for me.
I don’t play Mercy because i wan’t to kill stuff to show how good i am.
And i don’t want to be forced to be the flanker if i play Mercy. The gun is just for self defense or if you have nothing else to do.

Now the specific answer.
The unlimited ammo with the flight and self heal would make Mercy to the perfect assassin. She has already better dps than most of the offensive heroes. And that is not what Mercy is about. She is supposed to be the support hero. that would make her more a offensive hero with strong support abilities. And for the team dependency, it’s okay. She is a support hero. A bit independent movement would be okay but not that.

Again Mercy always switches between healing and damage boosting or pulling out her pistol so it would never 100% be guaranteed that she would get the full effects of healing her team. So I don’t see why you keep saying that. In the OP it clearly states the maximum amount of healing you can get with the full 5 seconds. But is Mercy really going to sit and heal for 5 seconds and not switch to Damage boosting atleast once??

This is what i’m trying to tell you. I does way to much for an E ability. The utility of it is insane and would replace other heroes. She was the supreme solo healer befor her rework. Mercy doesn’t needs that, it’s just to much.

If you can’t get a kill behind a barrier you shouldn’t be able to get a Resurrect behind a barrier plain and simple. If you are given that mobility to utilize GA momentum or Valkyrie speed the cast time and trying to get behind a shield shouldn’t be that bad at all. Honestly, it would be 100% better than Mercy 1.0 because you would be a lot faster and have many different angles to try and get that Resurrect off. What the OP suggested is you will get the number of allies that needed to be Resurrected show up on your screen… You push Q and that amount of allies that you locked onto can still be achieved, but if a player places a barrier it would be blocked, but if you still can get past the barrier before the cast time goes off by utilizing GA and her E you will get the Resurrect off. Which would be similar to McCree getting past a barrier in order to kill the targets that he has locked onto which are in LOS of him. So Resurrect would be a lot healthier but will finally have some options for counter other than “KILL THE MERCY” which is what people wanted with Mercy 1.0.

This is not just something about Los or fairnes. Its more to keep her as a one star hero. A new player which thinks “she seems to be easy to play for the start” will not immediately undestand why he can’t res his team. She is supposed to be an entry hero. With limitations like that, she would be just confusing and frustrating for new players. I would understnd it if she would have no cast time, but with that it’s just unfair for the Mercy. It’s not well thought out. It might be healthier for the opponent, but not for her and her team.

Lucio has the longest charge requirement in the game. If Mercy is getting a buff to her output in healing and damage boosting/ unlimited ammo she would gain Resurrect a lot faster so to compensate for giving her such a huge power lift her Resurrect should be harder to gain.

As some one which can already heal as much as Valkyrie can, without using it i can tell you that the better healing wouldn’t cahnge much. you may be faster with healing but over all it’s the same amount. Changing her charge time is not really an option.

To make it short.
Valkyrie in that form as an E is way to flexible and has way to much utility. It’s like 2.0 again where we put her Ult on E with minor nerfs and than see “Oh s*** this is so OP”. It’s not enough to just reduce it, you have to cut away a lot for it to be balanced.

[MaxedMelon-2100]

My my, Mercy is getting worse and worse with every update…
Remember when actual tactics were used to bait the mercy to waste her ult or remove her from combat? When you had apply some thought before all of your team press Q? When she was neither OP nor a troll pick?
We have to go back!
Revert Mercy

[Erras-1914]

They’ve given us the answer: they don’t care and they think we’re wrong. They call this rework a success, even though feedback clearly suggests otherwise for multiple different reasons.

[SCARR-12977]

The problem isn’t that valk isn’t balanced, it’s “fine” it’s just terribly underwhelming. It feels bad to play as the supercharger and give “value” but not really feel impact. Not to mention most of the time it’s really confusing when to ult and you can’t tell if it helped until the fights over.

[QuizzyBunny-2512]

I still think we should all buy Mercy’s Outlaw skin so we can role-play Orisa’s drum more realistically…

[Cleopatra-21937]

Would prefer skin as object on the map, to play Overwatch version of prop hunt

[Memoria-21936]

The problem isn’t that valk isn’t balanced, it’s “fine” it’s just terribly underwhelming. It feels bad to play as the supercharger and give “value” but not really feel impact. Not to mention most of the time it’s really confusing when to ult and you can’t tell if it helped until the fights over.

For sure, I’m desperate to be able to see valk healing/dmg boosting in your stats ingame to actually be able to see exactly how much every valk did and compare how you do with them in the same way you can see how much your trans or coalescence healed.

But yes it definitely feels underwhelming to use and it’s straight up boring to use.

[AkiraNasuki-2927]

This new forum is a bit annoying to track lol…

The thing about the take our feedback seriously… is that they maybe just observing at the moment because Jeff, despite that poor and horrendous delivery that more or less screamed I don’t care about Mercy, we’re not reverting… did make one valid point.

It was early days… it may take until half way through season 9 (a month later from now) for another Mercy rework (if they decide to do one so soon)

Todays Pick Rate on an Overall across all Tiers on a Monthly timescale… shows Mercy has dropped down to 8.91% so thats like another .3% of players that have turned away from Mercy… this is officially a 6% drop in pick rates. Whilst Moira is now in 1st place with 9.56% < its clear Mercy players are converting onto Moira along with Lucio players.

If Mercy continues to drop… they will have no choice but to acknowledge that the rework has failed… but I mean you have to fall pretty far… like Roadhog did when he dropped into bottom 5 of the pick rates, which consist of Doomfist, Torborn, Bastion, Mei and Sombra…

Doomfist at 0.74%
Torbjorn at 0.67%
Bastion at 0.61%
Mei at 0.58%
Sombra at 0.51% (Cough Sombra has been consistently this low for over 8 months… thats where during the SR abuse era… you can climb with Sombra because there was lack of people to statistically compete with)

To drop out of the top 10 most picked Heroes… Mercy has to drop past Junkrat who is at 4.66% and then McCree who is in 11th place with 4.32%

I mean Lucio has taken a massive drop and is in 13th place (he was in the top ten along with all the supports since the 4 of them have been consistently been in 4th to 10th place) is at a pick rate of 3.94%

If Mercy continues to rapidly drop and drops past Lucio on a consistent decline… then Blizzard has to fix her.

[Cleopatra-21937]

If other healers are dropping too, their solution would be as usual - nerf most powerful healer.

[Numberlittle-2133]

I really Hope they Will revert her. This rework is a failure, there is something wrong if a rework/nerf forces the people playing that character to abandon it or even hate him/her. After the Lucio rework, the Lucio main are abadon him now? No. After that many changes to Roadhog, are the Roadhog main hate him now? Or they abadon him? Maybe between the time he was useless before the last buff, but now he is balanced and he not lost his indentity. But Mercy? Mercy is not more Her. She Lost his indentity. There are Mercy main that now they hate her and Never play Her anymore (i have Two Friends Like that) and more Mercy main that really miss her. I Will love her Forever, But i really miss Her "Heroes Never die!"
Also old Mercy Never was OP or a must pick so
Revert Mercy!

(Sorry For bad english)

[AkiraNasuki-2927]

Actually it depends… we are arguably on the verge of a Meta shift… something Blizzard will most likely want to do… because we have been in Dive meta for about 4 seasons now…

Moira can’t burn through tanks… her healing whilst strong, is in fact rather limited in some ways.

If we go back into deathballing with 2/2/2 or even the triple or quad tank set up… we could see more Ana again… Moira might take a bit of a decline but she and Zenyatta paired up can fill in for damage dealing with discord and her serious damage dealing potential to counter dive the enemy squishy DPS’s

Ana would be back burst healing knowing the tank’s and DPS won’t dive out of her range and Lucio players may go back to Lucio to provide the tanks with some speed.

Mercy will always have a place… but the problem is… are the players compelled to play her… Also Hero 27… rumours suggest the new hero is a Tank that projects a lot of barriers… so we could indeed be moving into another Tank/defensive era but we will have to see

[Cleopatra-21937]

Just remembered how they acted with triple tank meta: heavy nerfs to Ana made it impossible. So if Blizzard would want different meta, they are likely to do it same way - destroy healer that made current meta possible, probably with extra nerfs for tanks.

Would like to be wrong on this, but so far Blizzard always go beyond my worst expectations.

[AkiraNasuki-2927]

Yes but Ana has been slightly fixed… like the only reason we don’t see her often is due to Skill Ceiling… and the fact that unless you have the aim… you are going to miss 90% of your shots on that Genji child that is spamming space bar crying I need healing and then screaming insults when they die.

Like Lucio and Zenyatta would be the Supports for the dive Meta… but some teams and players absolutely suck with working with them… HPS is dismal… elimination and space isn’t being secure and then Mercy who isthe underdog, comes in and saves the day with her strong healing abilities…

Like had to introduce Moira earlier on… a Meta shift would have occured 2 seasons ago… heck Moira and Hero 27 will most likely initiate a Meta change regardless of the 2.0 rework… like Mercy didn’t need that massive rework… its like they have nothing better to do in the meantime.

[Centurion-22610]

I have 40 hours time play with the old mercy and 60 hours with the new one , as the old one i some times used my ult rushed in and rezzed 2 so we could hold the point and we did , with the new one i can only save my team from genjis dragon blade ,Not any other dps ults , the ult is not an ult anymore , only works for pushing and dmg boosting , the only special thing about her was her insta rez which i think she still should be able to have a 2 rez in her ult . It doesnt matter its insta rez or not but 2 rez is okay or at least reduce the time for rez in ult to 1 sec . And yep she is still the best healer but so boring to play with ،its like we have no other abillity just pressing lmb or rmb . Rez is for suiciding.