Done playing until this Role Lock garbage ends

[Nightwing-22256]

@Megadodo-11847

@Nightwing-22256

@Megadodo-11847

@Nightwing-22256

@Megadodo-11847

@Nightwing-22256

@Megadodo-11847

@Nightwing-22256

Now it is how they originally intended it to be played.

this simply isnt the case base don how the game was marketed originally - freedom to choose, freedom to swap

Correct, they gave you freedom, with the intention/hope that people would have brains and go 222. As that is how they kept balancing it.

Sadly large chunks of community take freedom as a do want you want, screw the rest of them, pass. So rules in place.

so again, this wasnt how the game was originally intended to be played

I think you misunderstand. The devs intended 222, thats how they built the game, balanced the game, and designed the game…

They then trusted the community to do this. But with freedom to do what they like.

A freedom they misused far too often.

I dont see the Freedom as misused at all, personally

Possibly because you were misusing it?

If you can’t see the moron in a room, it is probably because you are the moron and all that jazz.

I ask that the personal attacks cease

I am a support main who occasionally plays tank, dps pretty much only in MH and as such not by choice

How exactly was I misusing the Freedom the game has always promised then recently took away?

Love this community. Reads vague analogy, thinks it is a personal attack… lol

[Harmless-11700]

The game CAN be played with any combination of available characters, but yes, people would switch to play heroes they didn’t WANT to play, and yet wanted to have on the team. People did this a LOT, and they did not enjoy it.

Now, they don’t have to do that.

“Freedom to play any available character” is way less meaningful to me than “Freedom to play the character you want”, which is far more likely with role lock.

[Nightwing-22256]

@Megadodo-11847

@Harmless-11700

But it rarely felt like “freedom”. Usually what it felt like was “Who is going to switch off the role he or she wants to play to play the thing we actually need?”

The game can be played with any combination of any available characters

I don’t think the word “need” applies here. “Want” seems to be more the case, as in certain players want certain characters on the team

prior to this most recent change, every player had the Freedom to play any available character.

not so now that we have been Forced

@Harmless-11700

Most games had someone playing something he or she would have rather not been playing.

said players were free to choose any character for any reason

this remains freedom of choice

@Harmless-11700

Now, people can queue up and play what they want.

Not necessarily so

@Harmless-11700

And what was or was not the original vision doesn’t matter.

The statement I replied to spoke of the way the game was intended to be played, and as such, my reply addressed that

@Harmless-11700

What matter’s is what people find the most fun right now, because hitting that mark is where the money is.

If I were a dps player facing wait times 4 times as long as my tank and support counterparts, I would not be happy. I suspect I am far from alone in this.

Unhappiness drives players to take their gaming dollars elsewhere.

Sounds like you are unhappy. Maybe playing something else for a bit will be good for you?

Come back with a fresh outlook.

[Megadodo-11847]

@Harmless-11700

The game CAN be played with any combination of available characters, but yes, people would switch to play heroes they didn’t WANT to play, and yet wanted to have on the team. People did this a LOT, and they did not enjoy it.

Now, they don’t have to do that.

“Freedom to play any available character” is way less meaningful to me than “Freedom to play the character you want”, which is far more likely with role lock.

I respectfully disagree

Once we had freedom, now we have Forced

[Megadodo-11847]

@Nightwing-22256

@Megadodo-11847

@Harmless-11700

But it rarely felt like “freedom”. Usually what it felt like was “Who is going to switch off the role he or she wants to play to play the thing we actually need?”

The game can be played with any combination of any available characters

I don’t think the word “need” applies here. “Want” seems to be more the case, as in certain players want certain characters on the team

prior to this most recent change, every player had the Freedom to play any available character.

not so now that we have been Forced

@Harmless-11700

Most games had someone playing something he or she would have rather not been playing.

said players were free to choose any character for any reason

this remains freedom of choice

@Harmless-11700

Now, people can queue up and play what they want.

Not necessarily so

@Harmless-11700

And what was or was not the original vision doesn’t matter.

The statement I replied to spoke of the way the game was intended to be played, and as such, my reply addressed that

@Harmless-11700

What matter’s is what people find the most fun right now, because hitting that mark is where the money is.

If I were a dps player facing wait times 4 times as long as my tank and support counterparts, I would not be happy. I suspect I am far from alone in this.

Unhappiness drives players to take their gaming dollars elsewhere.

Sounds like you are unhappy. Maybe playing something else for a bit will be good for you?

Come back with a fresh outlook.

I am well aware of my options, and I choose to remain

[Pharazon-2864]

@Megadodo-11847

There was already widespread interest in OW when OWL was formed

Had there been no player interest in OW, OWL would never have come about

Blizzard had a major investment going on E-Sports before Overwatch was released, and they started their preparation and work for that area in advance of the game’s release. Capitalising on E-Sports was always their number one priority on Overwatch.

[Megadodo-11847]

@Pharazon-2864

@Megadodo-11847

There was already widespread interest in OW when OWL was formed

Had there been no player interest in OW, OWL would never have come about

Blizzard had a major investment going on E-Sports before Overwatch was released, and they started their preparation and work for that area in advance of the game’s release. Capitalising on E-Sports was always their number one priority on Overwatch.

If there had been no interest in the game itself, there’d have been no interest in watching folks play it

[Harmless-11700]

Disagree all you like.

I have more freedom to play the hero I like than I did before, because it’s more likely our team structure will support me playing that hero in a decent, and fun to play composition. That is freedom I care about.

I admit I am no longer free to switch to Widow/Winston/Genji/etc. if I queue support, but the freedom is meaningless to me because I never wanted to play them anyway.

And if I do flex, I’m flexing reliably into a hero pool that I am well acquainted and effective at, leading to more enjoyable games.

Really, the disagreement here is what kind of freedom you want out of the game. The freedom you want is meaningless to me, and the freedom I want has brought me back to the game now that it has been implemented.

[Megadodo-11847]

@Harmless-11700

the freedom I want has brought me back to the game now that it has been implemented.

Forced has brought you back to the game.

Hmm

Not my cup of tea - if I am being forced into anything, I expect to be compensated, as it’d be just like work - but to each their own

[Harmless-11700]

As I’ve explained, I’m not forced into anything. I’m picking what I enjoy reliably.

The only thing I’ve lost is the ability to play heroes I have no interest in playing.

Scratch that- I do have an interest in playing them, but not at my current ELO. Which is great, now I have the freedom to play those heroes in games I won’t be wrecking because I’m in the incorrect ELO.

And yeah, this brought me back to the game. Once I started playing this on the PTR, I was hooked, after having taken quite a while off from this game, with actual few plans to ever return.

[Chortlebrah-1435]

What we had previously was not freedom. It was anarchy.

Now we at least have some base level of structure.

[Pharazon-2864]

@Megadodo-11847

If there had been no interest in the game itself, there’d have been no interest in watching folks play it

A lot of people watch streamers and E-Sports without participating in the game itself. And a lot of people participate in the game without taking interest in E-Sports. It’s not a given that people who play the game equates to viewers.

[Megadodo-11847]

@Chortlebrah-1435

What we had previously was not freedom. It was anarchy.

Now we at least have some base level of structure.

Anarchy suggests removal of a governing body, a leader

There was never a governing body - none of the 6 random internet players were “in charge”

as such, what we had was Freedom

I am sad to see it go

[Megadodo-11847]

@Pharazon-2864

@Megadodo-11847

If there had been no interest in the game itself, there’d have been no interest in watching folks play it

A lot of people watch streamers and E-Sports without participating in the game itself. And a lot of people participate in the game without taking interest in E-Sports. It’s not a given that people who play the game equates to viewers.

There many be a few who do so, but the interest in watching the game being played and/or talked about is derived primarily from interest in the game itself.

In the absence of such interest, those activities dont occur

[Chortlebrah-1435]

The game itself is the governing body, it just lacked a strict rule set.

The issue is that the game didn’t implement these rules for 3 years and people got used to playing the game in a casual way.

[Rawgnor-1583]

I too have stopped playing comp. They took away a lot of the game trying to balance and it’s not working.

[Rawgnor-1583]

there are far more that dislike than like this change so happy for you but in the end if it stays people will abandon this game in troves and then you will be gone again but so will the entire community.

[Harmless-11700]

@Megadodo-11847

Anarchy suggests removal of a governing body, a leader

No it doesn’t. Anarchy is literally “a state of society without government or law.” It doesn’t imply there was ever leadership, just that there isn’t any now.

[Harmless-11700]

@Rawgnor-1583

there are far more that dislike than like this change

Based on what, exactly?

[Megadodo-11847]

@Harmless-11700

@Megadodo-11847

Anarchy suggests removal of a governing body, a leader

No it doesn’t. Anarchy is literally “a state of society without government or law.” It doesn’t imply there was ever leadership, just that there isn’t any now.

I respectfully disagree, and stand by what I stated