Does Genji need help?

[silience-11552]

@Hanqz-2506

All because a hero isn’t good in EVERY rank doesn’t mean players should be discouraged to play them.

Most people start the ladder grind to get to T500 in the first place, or at least GM. Knowing your main of choice will barely take you there isn’t exactly encouraging.

[Nayeon-21935]

Blizzard once even said that genji is doing better than people think.

@silience-11552

McCree is still #1 in pickrate in every rank

Idk and idc. It’s about genji.

@silience-11552

and Genji is a very popular character

So mcree is more popular?

@silience-11552

I don’t want Genji to be a must-pick

But he will be a must pick in every rank once we buff him to be better in gm.

[Andough-1183]

I’m not doubting that but I don’t remember them saying that. Probably because I missed that.

I’m also just emphasizing that he’s not overpowered like people make him sound. He’s not meta, he’s not overpowered, even nanoblade can be countered.

[Moira-21906]

I don’t think Genji is overpowered or weak, I think he’s middle ground personally

[Hanqz-2506]

@silience-11552

Most people start the ladder grind to get to T500 in the first place, or at least GM. Knowing your main of choice will barely take you there isn’t exactly encouraging.

Again, how is being the 4th most picked DPS in most ranks not enough to get you to GM? The reality is, Genji mains in gold or plat are hardstuck because they aren’t good enough, not because they are ‘discouraged’ by their hero being bad in the top rank which they will never even get to and thats the truth.

If they can’t climb in plat, how would they ever make it to GM to even be worried about Genji’s success in high elo?

[Nayeon-21935]

Here is the quote.

@JoshuaNoh-1358

Dropping by with a fun fact!
Looking at GM players for the current patch (1.43), Genji and Soldier: 76 are #6 and #7 in terms of win rate for damage heroes (out of 16 total).

They’re not doing quite as poorly as the general community sentiment would imply. Game balance perceptions/opinions are often repeated and perpetuated enough that they start to become accepted as fact by many players.

We also should remember that things like win rates and hero power/effectiveness can fluctuate significantly depending on the players’ skill level. If someone complains that Reaper is too strong and another says that Reaper is too weak, they could both be correct for their current skill level.

When making balance changes we typically look at the high end potential of player skill for a hero but also try to keep in mind if a given change would be a significant detriment to the overall gameplay experience in lower skill brackets and attempt to find better solution if so.

[ĆħiŷöņǾŞåĸę-1194]

its more so the opposite.

what genji needs is his ult set so it cant be dmg boosted BUT the rest of his kit buffed.

doing 170 dmg per ‘combo’ is honestly solid, sure its not quick kills but its good enough the dmg boosts and nano’s make it actually worthwhile but in doing so it puts genji in a position where they (bliz) are afraid of buffing his base kit for fear it’ll give him his ult too fast.

[silience-11552]

@Nayeon-21935

he will be a must pick in every rank once we buff him to be better in gm.

This isn’t automatically the case. Fix his numerous bugs, give him little tweaks and see how it goes. If he’s powercrept like McCree was, then he will be a must in every rank.

That said, this topic was clearly a mistake.

[Nayeon-21935]

Yes, you have to make him less forgiving for that to work.

[Andough-1183]

Ah, thanks for sharing that! I didn’t see that before.

[Bakkusōdo-1851]

@Nayeon-21935

Yes, you have to make him less forgiving for that to work.

How is genji forgiving? If anything I find him one of the less forgiving DPS compared to ashe, cree, echo, junk, hanzo, etc

[pooch-11428]

@ViltsuBM-2564

ya overbuff never lies

Hmm just today I found Mei’s damage/game stats on Overbuff quite interesting.

[pooch-11428]

I guess you don’t remember what followed.

[Nayeon-21935]

And that is?

The “pickrate” stuff does not say something different.

[pooch-11428]

They buffed Soldier and Genji shortly after that, and buffed (mega buffed) Genji again because he was bad compared to other flankers, just as he is now.

[Nayeon-21935]

And after that they nerfed genji again because he was dominating in every rank.

(btw at that time genji mains still said that he was too weak.)

[Bakkusōdo-1851]

@Nayeon-21935

And after that they nerfed genji again because he was dominating in every rank.

Yes he was OP, but the point was they said genji wasn’t as bad as people thought, then they proceeded to buff him, showing that the devs thought he was too weak. So their previous statement doesn’t hold a lot of credibility

@Nayeon-21935

btw at that time genji mains still said that he was too weak.)

No not really. Maybe 1 or 2 delusional genji players but at most I saw people saying he wasn’t that OP. And a good portion of genji mains thought he was overtuned

[Nayeon-21935]

@Bakkusōdo-1851

No not really. Maybe 1 or 2 delusional genji players but at most I saw people saying he wasn’t that OP. And a good portion of genji mains thought he was overtuned

Most genji players on this forum/twitter said he is fine/still too weak/we have to wait 12 months until we know.

@Bakkusōdo-1851

but the point was they said genji wasn’t as bad as people thought, then they proceeded to buff him, showing that the devs thought he was too weak.

No they did it because all the angry genji main streamers Twittered about the quote and said that the devs are delusional.

[Yin-1797]

@Stark-14864

I feel he is under performing. Blade on its own is tough to execute without help in most cases. I feel he needs some buffs in certain areas. Maybe increase damage on blade? Or More duration on ultimate? I don’t know. I just feel he’s not doing so well. I do not know how this should be worked on.

Huge issues with mitigation and healing output have curb his effectiveness dramatically. He was never good with Tanks, specifically, but the additional mitigation brought about because of mandatory secondary tank makes it just that much harder for him to deal with things.

There’s not much that can be done right now. OW2 should more or less put him back on even ground and that will hopefully fix some problems.

@JoshuaNoh-1358

Dropping by with a fun fact!
Looking at GM players for the current patch (1.43), Genji and Soldier: 76 are #6 and #7 in terms of win rate for damage heroes (out of 16 total).

They’re not doing quite as poorly as the general community sentiment would imply. Game balance perceptions/opinions are often repeated and perpetuated enough that they start to become accepted as fact by many players.

We also should remember that things like win rates and hero power/effectiveness can fluctuate significantly depending on the players’ skill level. If someone complains that Reaper is too strong and another says that Reaper is too weak, they could both be correct for their current skill level.

When making balance changes we typically look at the high end potential of player skill for a hero but also try to keep in mind if a given change would be a significant detriment to the overall gameplay experience in lower skill brackets and attempt to find better solution if so.

Quoted for emphasis. Though keep in mind that this post from the patch date is ancient and the metagame has shifted quite a bit.

[Katattack-11943]

@Bakkusōdo-1851

but the point was they said genji wasn’t as bad as people thought, then they proceeded to buff him, showing that the devs thought he was too weak. So their previous statement doesn’t hold a lot of credibility

While I believe that genji is for the most part balanced I have to ask why anyone would believe the devs when they say anything about the balance state of a hero. Just look at the year following the mercy rework where after every single nerf they gave her they would come out saying how they felt she was finally balanced just to then follow up with more nerfs in the very next patch.