Unlike literally all of those characters, D.Va has a 90% pickrate in pro play.
Not to mention being the best Off-Tank in all ranks except Diamond and Masters.
Winston 6.85%
Reinhardt 8.74%
51.54 and 52.37. This is close enough if you ask me.
So she’s a high skill character? You want to nerf high skill heroes? Lets make everyone Brigitte then.
GM WR/PR
D.Va: 54.06/7.48
Zarya: 55.60/7.28
M WR/PR
D.Va: 51.12/5.47
Zarya: 53.22/7.77
D WR/PR
D.Va: 52.93/4.95
Zarya: 53.57/7.19
In platinum and below it slowly starts reversing. You are 100% lying(about the effectiveness of D.Va) according to these statistics I have just pulled.
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So we’re nerfing Dva and Rein then? May as well throw in Zarya too. Because they’re the most played tanks?
Maybe because most tanks can’t do their jobs against so much cc and mobility? Dva doesn’t even help against mobile characters that much either, that’s reserved for Winston.
Overbuff oer last 3 months in GM:
Reinhardt PR: 9.62% WR: 55.12%
Winston: PR: 5.86% WR: 53.37
Out of just tanks:
Rein: 28.20%
Winston: 17.19%
This week Rein has a 6% higher PR than Winston out of Tanks.
Stop using pro play to dictate changes to the game. It is one factor to take into consideration what pros can do with a hero but it rarely necessitates major nerds / reworks to make a hero worse. Case in point: Zenyatta’s tpaid orb “nerf”.
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In OOWC all they play is variations of GOATS 3-3-0 so of course DVA is a must pick when you’re doing that.
I don’t think that pick rate says anything about her overall power.
Brigitte in general, including shield bash (which also cancels boosters and missiles)
Zarya
Mei
Symmetra, technically (I say technically bc we all know how Sym’s doing)
Dragonblade
Reinhardt anything but firestrike
Hammond’s lil spiderman shtick and piledriver
Anything Doomfist-related but shotguns
Moira succ
Tyre
Hook
Its own duration limitations
Hack/EMP
Even not counting ults, that’s a significant list. There was a case for this ages ago with 4second DM but not anymore. Almost every new hero has had a way to circumvent DM and therefore indirectly or directly counter D.Va.
Yes, it was. If it was in the cone, it made sense for it to be eaten. Barrel stuffing and just “lul look at the ground” was a crappy excuse for counterplay that felt like an exploit if you did it and crap if you were the D.Va whose conal, resource meter’d, doesn’t block everything like barriers pretty much defensive wasn’t blocking things it looked like it should have blocked.
A consistent place it couldn’t be used would be anywhere the cone isn’t facing since D.Va has to be… Facing the source of damage. Or its cooldown. Or when it’s drained. Should Rein take damage through the lion head on the shield?
Thanks, I genuinely forgot. The two second difference for two seconds of DM (plus the delay before it starts recharging) feels unnecessary to change. It still has too much uptime to you?
Doesn’t it block less damage on average than projected barrier?
And Zarya’s bubble bolsters her charge. Of course it’s 8 seconds.
You can burn its charge or shoot from another angle
That’s way too long. Especially when factoring in that she doesn’t start recharging resource until that cooldown is replenished.
Yes, they do. Bubble blocks displacement and isn’t bound to Zarya’s body. It also acts as a cleanse and is a flat damage shield rather than having situational blocking of damage sources. I’m not saying D.Va is a bad peeler. Her and Zarya are both excellent peelers.
Sombra buffs as well as air movement and ult changes had a profound effect on Lucio’s effectiveness (and the whole… Rework).
A lot of Lucios hated this change as it limits the skill ceiling of wallride.
Isn’t D.Va considered easier than Zarya?
She’s even occasionally swapped for Sombra!
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According to Overbuff, yes. D.Va starts doing better the lower the rank. OWWC is a statistical outlier that this person is using to justify D.Va getting yet another rework/nerf.
However this is probably due GOATS like people have mentioned, and also why her pickrate(not winrate) suddenly spikes in GM
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They just made it seem like high rank players can play Zarya but are not skilled enough to play D.Va who is easier. I was confused hahaha
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Mei and Sym are stated to be niche by design, Zarya is map dependent, and DF, Sombra, and Winston synergize with a friendly Dva more than they discourage it on the other side. That leaves Hog as the only generalist counter, which is why I’d rather wait for him to get buffed, but having 1 is still cause for concern, particularly when quad tank remains situationally viable.
Your comp or the enemy comp?
In practice they haven’t been exploited effectively for 9ish seasons now. If things get out of hand, it’s best fixed by changes to Dva, even if it was due to a failing on the part of … well, pretty much the entire roster.
That doesn’t make them not counters. Brigitte is also very much a generalist counter as well as a team with multiple soft ones. Heck, Hanzo was part of the reason D.Va was driven out (in conjunction with Brigitte) during gravstrike due to his strong poke and added mobility+storm arrows being able to bait.
Quad tank is not D.Va’s fault, just like how triple tank wasn’t either
Both. D.Va’s presence isn’t oppressive; she is just what soldier 76 wants to be in tank form
And yet Winston in the higher portions of GM as well as in pro play.
It is a larger difference than their pickrate difference.
Oh yes, D.Va is perfectly acceptable as a must-pick because she’s high skill.
Oh wait, she’s also OP in low ranks.
That is quite literally the same trend Lucio 1.0 had. Powerful in low ranks due to easy to use auras, poor in mid ranks due to the lack of knowledge on Speed Boost, and insane in high ranks because of that utility.
Lucio 1.0 got reworked.
Is this not exactly what I pointed out?
No I am not, you want to pull niche statistics from two ranks and say they’re the only ones that count.
Oh yes lets nerf Reinhardt, the character that is there for people who can’t play Winston.
Reinhardt doesn’t have a 90% pickrate in pro play.
Not even Winston has that.
Completely disingenuous. The general trend of their pickrates has been towards more Winston and less Reinhardt.
Zenyatta absolutely deserved that nerf.
If you looked at the chart and realized that Winston had a higher pickrate than Reinhardt maybe you would have realize that is completely false.
Reinhardt’s barrier has a cooldown, health indicators and actual health.
D.Va does not have any consistent, built-in cooldowns with DM.
Whil Zarya has slightly more Damage Blocked on average, that includes her personal barrier. It is a very easy assumption that DM blocks more damage than Projected Barrier.
That is a requirement, not a bonus. Forcing Zarya to get charge means she can’t even use her bubbles for peel exclusively.
It has no indicator for its charge, it has no extra cooldown when depleted and D.Va can rapidly turn to make other angles inconsistent as well.
The recharge isn’t tied to that cooldown, the recharge cooldown actually used to be 0.5 seconds.
The recharge cooldown could stay at 1 second.
DM blocks infinite damage, has a resource meter, can be projected onto enemies and can block for multiple people.
Pretending that a niche cleanse is relevant (D.Va can eat Bitotic Nade, by the way) is totally disingenuous.
Sombra became a non-factor after Brigitte’s introduction and her nerfs.
Considering Sombra and Lucio are both great right now, this is just wrong.
Air movement changes had no long-term effect, it just took getting used to.
Lucio 1.0 was so far disconnected from this that bringing it up in this context makes no sense.
Lucio 2.0 was still picked more than the other supports after his rework (mostly because Mercy was trash, leaving him without any competition).
That nerf was removed after the backlash. The wallride changes had no negative effects.
So GM, OWWC and Plat and below are just “statistical outliers”?
I guess Diamond is in the one true rank.
Please look at Winston’s pickrate again.
It isn’t hard.
D.Va has a much higher skillcap. Like Winston, she should probably remain the best Off-Tank at the highest level.
That does not mean a 90% pickrate, though.
It’s always very telling that this question always seems to go unanswered whenever it gets asked.
Probably because it sounds suspiciously like having to choose between the “D.Va shouldn’t be able to tank (the categories are really just guidelines!)” cake or their “D.Va shouldn’t be able to do damage, she’s a tank!” cake.
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I literally answered the question.
How is it possibly fair that D.Va has good damage, the best peel and mobility.
She is just far too versatile.
Anyone else remember all the reworks? She used to be a defensive tank but they turned her into a dive tank. So now they don’t want her to be a dive tank? Guess she should not help her team at all and just roll over and die.
At least before Missiles she had a significant weakness compared to the other Off-Tanks.
But that does encourage running Dva on both sides, if not a full mirror.
It isn’t, but it does mean that Hog and Brig being the only generalist counters could potentially be problematic.
76 is overshadowed in many aspects by other DPS depending on what you want. Meanwhile DM is one of the best abilities in the game in addition to DVa being a jack of all trades. And while this was much worse during 4 second DM, there remain many situations where you have to demech before doing anything important, to the point of being borderline oppressive. The only other things that command that much respect are ults.
Missiles only do significant damage when used while boosting into an enemy’s face along with primary. They’re often useless alone and easily dodgeable at range.
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Missiles + shooting while flying aren’t super significant on their own, the combination is the issue.
Missiles just puts the damage over the top.
She’s good…thefore rework her…wtf are you saying lol
So tanks shouldnt be able to kill at all? She barely does enough damage to off a squishy and they need to not be healed at all. Her blasters alone are terrible unless you land all headshots at close range. Winston is more consistent damagewise.