Bring back 60HP

[SettsWiƒe-1836]

Its extremely low impact. It was already tested and showed no impact on a fight whatsoever over the course of 300 games. Actually, Mercy won more teamfights when she didnt use Valkyrie, and this was all before her healing was nerfed.

[Soleil-11791]

It was already tested and showed no impact on a fight whatsoever over the course of 300 games.

Any links to this data?

[JuicyPig-2328]

personally, id say its low impact because the only one who actually benefits from it is mercy. she gains flight, and chain beams. which only makes her job easier, not her impact much greater. for chain heal to work, team mates have to be clumped up, which is risky cus of things like anti nade, grav, dragonblade, etc.
its a little like soldiers ult. a really good mercy will not really make much improvement during valk. its just easy mode for 20 seconds.

[Loba-11371]

How is it low impact now? Simply because of 50HPS?

When in a team fight and you pop Valk, it should have a fighting chance to keep your team alive to hopefully turn the tide to your favor. But it doesn’t, instead your team gets nuked and your feeling helpless because your not putting out enough to healing to even get that chance to win that team fight.

[anon63781830]

Very low impact. I would say even unredeemable.

What is the difference?? dead mercy or mercy that used Valkyrie to save herself, isn’t killing support is impactful? ult that negate it is also impactful.

[DvaSlaysEU-2809]

I was reading this earlier on in the day. It’s pretty useful:

@Titanium-1686

Valkyrie is a disgusting… pile? I’m trying to think of a good word to describe it…

Looks up synonyms for “pile”

“Conglomeration”.

Valkyrie is a disgusting conglomerate of existing abilities that were all thrown into a single ability with seemingly no regard for cohesion or player experience. There’s nothing original in Valkyrie.

Flight? Pharah has that.
Mediocre AoE healing? Hello, Moira, Lucio, and Ana.
AoE damage amplifier? Orisa.

As a result of trying to put all of these into one ability, the developers also made every ultimate that Valkyrie contends with (or tries to, anyway) simply outclass it. The ability can be summarized by “Jack of all trades, remotely sufficient in none”.

Valkyrie poses the opposite problem that Resurrect does. Rather than an ultimate placed behind a basic ability, Valkyrie is a basic ability placed behind an ultimate.

Let’s list what Valkyrie currently offers:

• Allows Mercy to fly in any direction at 9 meters/second. (5.5 is base walking speed for most heroes).
• Extends the range of Mercy’s beams from 15 meters to 30 meters.
• Extends the range of Guardian Angel from 30 meters to 50 meters.
• Mercy’s passive regeneration is no longer interrupted by damage.
• Mercy’s beams spread to all allies within 10 meters of the primary target.
• Guardian Angel’s flight speed is increased.
• Mercy’s pistol has infinite ammunition and a faster projectile speed.

If we were to cut this list down to the parts that actually have a direct influence on the fight, we would get:

• Mercy’s beams spread to all allies within 10 meters of the primary target.
• Mercy’s pistol has infinite ammunition and a faster projectile speed.

That’s it. Everything else either has no realistic use, or it just makes Mercy harder to kill… which doesn’t really matter being that she removes herself from the fight while using Valkyrie anyway.

Let’s throw these capabilities up against the ultimate abilities that are most comparable to Valkyrie: Transcendence and Supercharger.

Transcendence is very similar to the healing aspect of Valkyrie in several ways. Both heroes gain additional mobility upon activation. They both heal all five allies in a 10 meter radius around Zenyatta/the primary beam target. They both become (effectively) unkillable while using their respective ultimates. They are both unable to impact the fight in any way other than healing while healing their team with their ultimates; Zenyatta is a channeled ultimate, and Mercy is unable to heal and shoot at the same time.

What’s the difference between Transcendence and Valkyrie? Transcendence has five times the healing output (soon to be six!). Transcendence heals for 300 health/second on every target. Valkyrie heals for 60 health/second on every target. Valkyrie’s healing rate is simply blown out of the water by Transcendence.

Unfortunately, we do not have statistics that tell us exactly how much healing Mercy is doing through Valkyrie, but we do know that Mercy’s overall healing output really isn’t much higher than it was pre-rework. As of the day I am typing this (August 7th), Mercy’s average healing output is 12085. Her pre-rework healing numbers were around 11900. If we were to just assume that Valkyrie’s introduction is the only thing responsible for the current statistic, we would only be able to say that Valkyrie provides a bonus 200 healing/game on average. In contrast, Zenyatta averages 2259 Transcendence healing/game.

Supercharger is one of three ultimates that increase a player’s damage output, the other ones being Valkyrie and Nano-Boost. Its visuals are similar to the visuals of Valkyrie’s damage amplification beam, and both ultimates amplify the damage of all allies in an area around the Supercharger/primary beam target.

The similarities stop there, and just about every difference between the two abilities favors Supercharger over Valkyrie. For starters, Supercharger has fire-and-forget mechanics. Orisa can deploy it and resume playing as usual, as she does not need to channel the damage beams for them to be active. In contrast, Mercy becomes the supercharger, effectively removing the team’s main healer from the fight while she channels her damage beams. Furthermore, not only does Orisa get to participate in the fight while her ultimate is active, but she also receives the damage benefits from her own damage amplification. Valkyrie is five players and one buff dispenser; Supercharger is six players and one buff dispenser.

As if another source of damage was not enough for Supercharger to outclass Valkyrie’s damage amplifier, Supercharger also increases the damage of all affected targets by 50%, instead of Valkyrie’s 30%. On top of this, it also has a substantially larger AoE radius than Valkyrie; 25 meters. The one downside Supercharger has in comparison to Valkyrie is that it needs to be protected, but considering the rest of Orisa’s kit, that isn’t terribly difficult. She has her barrier to cover it and her hitbox is a good size to body-block enemies from attacking the drum, especially with Fortify to help her do so. The only good options there are to destroy the Supercharger are to flank or to get in close… neither of which are great ideas when the entire enemy team is dealing 150% of their normal damage output.

So… Valkyrie is totally outclassed in both the healing and damage amplification categories by other ultimates. Not only does the ability not have anything unique to its name, but it is simply worse in every category than its ultimate counterparts.

Valkyrie is really just a basic ability. Compare its impact to that of other supports’ basic abilities and that becomes clear:

• Amp It Up (healing aura): 46.8 health/second to all allies within 10 meters of Lucio. Lucio can shoot while this ability is active.
• Biotic Grenade: An instant 100 health when used on allies, along with a lingering healing amplification. When used on enemies, it deals 60 damage and leaves a lingering status effect that negates all healing received by those affected. Fire-and-forget mechanics. 4 meter blast radius.
• Orb of Discord: Increases the damage received by one enemy target by 30%. Fire-and-forget mechanics, allowing Zenyatta to both deal damage and heal while his Discord Orb is active. (Virtually) Endless duration and can be retargeted at will when provided line of sight and a 30 meter proximity. 3-second decay time when target leaves range and/or vision.

Give Valkyrie a 3 second duration and slap a 12 second cooldown on it (beginning after the duration ends), and you have a nice basic ability.

But that’s not what the developers wanted. Instead, for reasons never provided, they wanted to take the pile of dung that they scrapped in the alpha stages of the game (citation ) and slap it into the game as Mercy’s ultimate. How did they do this?

They extended its duration 20 seconds.

Of course, probably seeing that the ability was still flaming garbage, they decided to add a few other bonuses to it. They added a bunch of buffs to Mercy’s pistol (most of which were removed before going live), and they added the potential to get four uses of Resurrect out of Valkyrie (rez, valk, rez, wait, rez, wait, rez). This time they were successful in making Valkyrie worthy of being an ultimate, because they added an ultimate (Resurrect) to a basic ability (Valkyrie). A basic ability in addition to an ultimate nets an ultimate ability.

Now the developers had a different problem. Mercy had two ultimates: Resurrect and Valkyrie… Or to be more direct about it, Resurrect and then more Resurrect. As you probably already know, Valkyrie was nerfed repeatedly. Resurrect was slowly withdrawn from the sack of garbage that was sacked and then unsacked, eventually rendering the sack of garbage to be a sack of nothing but garbage.

When Resurrect was pulled out Valkyrie, so was the ultimate in Valkyrie. Now we’re just left with a basic ability that lasts fifteen seconds on Q, while Mercy’s real ultimate is on her E.

[Loba-11371]

Mercy shouldn’t be selfish and fly away. She be in the battle with her teammates keeping them alive. If valk is only meant for her to retreat to let her team die then what’s to say that history is going to repeat itself again. If I see my friend who plays tank slowly die and I pop valk and it’s not doing enough healing, he tells me to escape and just to let him die, as have other comp matches ive played with other players. That’s not healthy being told Run away and don’t bother.

[MsSysbit-1411]

Potentially 5x her already stellar healing is very low impact not to mention flight combined with guardian angel for massive mobility. /s

Low impact ults: Meteror Strike, Barrage, Death Blossom, Whole Hog, etc. Valkyrie isn’t top tier but it’s certainly par at least.

[Soleil-11791]

I’m searching for this information “It was already tested and showed no impact on a fight whatsoever over the course of 300 games.” and can’t find it help

[MikeUchiha-11562]

Mercy feels bad to play currently.

I switched to Ana because at least she can burst heal multiple people off cool-down and can survive a direct assault via Sleep Dart.

Mercy is meh.

[Gëmívëřë-1233]

healing was part of the problem. Mercy was healing for significantly more than any other healer (barring Moira who was almost equal) and for a healer who is focused on single target healing, that should not be happening. her healing is more in line now with what it should be. the problem, and the reason I don’t play her anymore, is that she’s boring. she requires no thought at all to play effectively.

[DvaSlaysEU-2809]

she requires no thought at all to play effectively.

I would’ve made a thread about this instead but people tend to say that it’s too subjective so I ended up making this thread.

[SettsWiƒe-1836]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/80gpi7/five_amazing_stats_from_owl_stage_2_week_1/#ampf=undefined

Sorry, had to go look for it. I believe thats it.

[Loba-11371]

she requires no thought at all to play effectively.

Mercy requires more than just hold LMB or Right Trigger. You have to plan every move 2 to 3 steps ahead of everyone, you have to know where to position yourself, plan a fallback, you have to know who to focus healing on all the while keeping your eye not only on your health but all other teammates health as well.

[DvaSlaysEU-2809]

Old Mercy required these as well. The only difference being that mass Resurrect actually required more thinking than Valkyrie which is pretty hard to screw up now.

[Zfreak613-1388]

Healing in this game has creeper way too much. A tank being attacked shouldn’t survive. I’m glad the healing creep has been stopped, now we won’t have a damage creep dps other than snipers are able to have an impact.

[Soleil-11791]

Ah, thought you were talking about genpop Comp While OWL is a different ship than the game we all play entirely, this data is still interesting and useful to determine Valks overall usefulness in a genpop Comp environment. Very well.

[OWSaint-1218]

i left healing behind, it just isn’t fun unless you run a dps moira.

I don’t tank either. i just play dps to the best of my ability. 5 dps and 1 tank, awesome.

[Kansai-11768]

I think the nerf to her heal rate is a lazy fix. However the nerf is in the right direction. The problem with Mercy wasn’t always res solely. It was the fact that she could do her job better than other healers, and had access to one of the most powerful abilities in the game. Both of these aspects together is what makes her so powerful.

Every other healer (except Zenyatta) has to keep shielding in mind when healing teammates.

With that said I don’t agree with the HP rate being nerfed to 50. I think they should’ve tried other, more dynamic ways to nerf her, but allow her to still reach the potential that most Mercy’s are used to. One idea in mind is for her healing beam to ramp up the more HP she’s healing. You can either do this by following the Symmetra style, or the Zarya charge style, or even give her a resource meter she fills and then expends when she wants to critically heal someone.

These are just some ideas off the top of my head that would make Mercy more dynamic rather than just flat nerfing her heal rate.

EDIT: I believe Zenyatta’s transcendence is also blocked by shields as well. I could be wrong.

[DaddeeSmash-1914]

It’s really not impossible. Her healing is fine. I’d just like a small buff to ult gain. Valkyrie takes forever to get now. I can easily have 3 Moira ults in the time it takes to get one valkyrie.