As a christain religious person, I support people who decide to have different partners, but I do not support the trans community. I think it is harmful to young children, as children will only know what is told to them, and only think about adult topics like lgbtq, or certain rights, if they are told to think that way. Best to let a person make that choice when they are over 18 and have a good idea of who they are, without someone telling them who they are.
We have characters that support every religion out there, but a Christian character is somehow illegal in the entire gaming world. A huge number of people are Christian, so why is it such a controversial thing? People are encouraged to share their religion… unless your Christian.
Actually it’s at least the second trans character, Bloodhound was there since launch. I haven’t played Apex Legends in months, so I’m not sure if there’s more.
Isn’t Moira supposed to be trans? I get that kind of vibe anyways.
At the end of the day, I am rather more annoyed when games announce characters being queer out of nowhere for no reason, like Apex did at launch; this stuff only makes sense if tied to actual backstory and lore, which they started doing much later (better than never I guess).
One can say x character is cis het(ero, apparently the word is banned here), that one is cis gay, that one is ace, that one is enby… But if there’s no reason to do so it’s just to bait good press. The complaint in this thread is ridicolous.
Imagine a group notorious for being full of nonces deciding what’s good for children. Or what’s gender and why only what they believe is right. Please, let’s be real. It’s not really about “think of the children!”, it never is. It’s even ironic considering the presumed godly message of “God loves everyone, and you should too”, people always find a way to twist it and basically say that “yes but it’s unnatural because a man that lived eons ago wrote so in this very old book that he transcribed the will of God, so what Jesus said only applies to the people we want”.
I’m trans. I don’t want a trans character slapped in just to have trans. I don’t want token representation. Nor do I want a trans character made by a bunch of cisgender heterosexual dudes that understand nothing about trans struggles or feelings. Screw “representation.” That mindset is why people have such distorted views of us in the first place. Because our “representation” is so far from the truth it’s a parody.
IF they add a trans character (or any LGBT) I want that character to be designed BY an actual trans person (or other applicable LGBT) without having some board or committee saying what they can and cannot include.
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It’s bizarre cause these groups cling onto scare stories of trans men losing their hair and getting acne… like, men sometimes do.
Whilst I am in agreement that forcing foreign chemicals and ideology onto children is harmful, I also agree that they should… ya know, find out themselves and let them decide whether this particular walk of life is right for them, and have these experimental places be supportive and correctly advising so they can integrate safely and without prejudice based on their background or family dynamic.
Bit like religions I guess. xD
okay but who cares tho?
Like, if you need a trans character so badly, write some fanfiction with it. Theres already plenty of those on AO3, just hit up the “m!” or “male!” tag before typing out who you want to be trans. Or just use the “trans” tag. Easy as pie.
Hello there, non trans dude here who’s had a variety of relationships with trans guys.
Am I right in thinking that some of yall feel far more represented by, just, random dudes rather than cute stories of other trans men figuring out life for themselves? Vice versa for MTF.
For example my ex is obsessed with Markiplier, to the point where he sees him as his “trans dad.” He doesn’t care that he’s not trans, he just wants to grow up (post transition/HRT) to be like him.
I…did not know this. Huh, you learn something new every day I guess. 
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im a bit confused, if you’re trans right, you want to be either male or female opposite from which you were born. So isnt every character a trans character - you dont want us to notice the difference, you all want to pass - so couldnt every character be trans? is your goal for either the character to awkwardly talk about their struggles to pass or complain when they don’t? no offence intended - i just dont see how you put it into a voilce line without doing one of the two
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lol hilariously, yes. But that’s more often because most of those “cute stories” weren’t written by trans people, so they’re way off the mark on what it really like to be trans.
It’s kinda like OneTopic and The Click for me. Neither of them are trans but, especially OneTopic, I love them dearly because of how wholesome and open to trying to understand they are.
HAA I have figured it out.
Cause like, I’ve always viewed transitioning as like a rebirth. Whilst you’re not physically 10 again (aside from all the acne and voice dropping), you kinda growing up seeing all these role models going “ha I kinda wanna be like them when I grow up…” Kinda reliving those depressing years being trapped in someone else’s body.
Idk, it’s cute. xD
Apex Legends took the safe route and added a Transwoman. Shoulda added a Transman instead…
From a discussion perspective the question is then “Why do you find it offensive?” But yeah, sure, aside from there being a difference between the use of the term cis as a scientific or social identifier, not an identity like a pronoun, sure, be straight. Doesn’t hurt me to call you as you want to be called. Which is kind of the whole pronoun and name point in general.
So your religious upbringing outweighs actual science and what the medical community says. Not the best place to be.
What evidence do you have to support that statement? Also, in what way is it harmful? Letting a child explore their gender is no more harmful to them than letting them explore being punk or a skater or wanting to play soccer.
Good news, that’s how it actually works. Under 18 doesn’t provide surgeries or any type of permanent procedure. It offers, at best, puberty blockers, which are 100% reversible and essentially DO allow a child the ability to make an informed choice at 18.
Not sure where you’re getting that idea. We have Christian characters in games and movies.
I encourage you to discuss or share your faith. Right up to the point you start telling me I’m going to the bad place or need to convert or that we should pass laws based on your faith specifically. That’s the line.
I don’t think she’s confirmed as such, no. Specially since that would be another stereo type problem (Ooh, the crazy mad science who experiments on people is trans). Not saying that’s right or wrong, but it would cause it’s own issues since it’s not integral to the character herself. (Something you note later).
Mostly yes, a tiny bit no. I think dropping their sexuality without it being a big deal at all can also be okay. We found out Tracer was a lesbian without it being super significant. Just a comic where she’s spending time with her girlfriend. That’s dropped in there with no real story purpose. But it’s done so casually and just as part of who she is versus the usually type of flag announcement that I think you mean.
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Yeah and we got very little lore about her also. I guess she’s just a random Ontarian. It would be cool if she had black loyalist heritage because that would give her strong, deep roots to Canada.
The best characters have always emerged automatically from a very intensive, imaginative creative process. It’s like discovering a person by random chance, nothing was intentional.
Why do we need to know such a personal detail about a character like sexuality? Its so unnecessary. Theyre all asexual, no reproductive organ having 1’s and 0’s. There are only 2 genders in OW: winners and losers.
There’s a reason a lot of trans people (myself including) liken transitioning to going through a second puberty. It legit feels like you do, from the mental to the physical changes.
And yeah, it’s really easy for us to do. Because it’s like, we get to start over a bit. Transitioning is a huge deal and you feel like you get a second chance in a lot of things. Not only are we rediscovering ourselves all over again, letting our new (or rather, true) personalities start to shine, we feel like it’s the perfect time to make changes or our personalities that we don’t like.
I used to be a pretty blunt and rude person. Now I’m much nicer and understanding and dislike using even simple insults like calling someone stupid.
3, actually. Winners, Losers, and Evil.
Honestly thanks. I wasn’t expecting a reasonable response from anyone these days to be fair. I know it comes off hostile but I absolutely HATE the term. I was “straight” for 30 years before anyone started calling me “cis” and dangit it gets under my skin.
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This is very valid. Add in the fact that so many Trans people would prefer to just pass and focus on their identity as their gender before the aspect of them being Trans. Representation is nice in the sense of “There’s someone like me.” But the tweak with transgender is… There are characters “like them” in the form of characters of the gender they identify with.
Thankfully that is not the common path for a Transgender child. Being a transgender child usually just involves dressing differently, picking a different name. Later on it usually involves puberty blockers so that they don’t have irreversible changes right away. It’s not til around 12 that puberty blockers are even recommended, and it’s not til at least 14 that HRT is considered. Quite frankly, I think a kid who’s decided they’re a certain gender at age 8 and maintained that outlook for 6 years is in a good place to say they’ve made an educated decision.
Obviously can’t speak for every individual, but yes. To look at the MCU as an example, I feel represented by Carol and Wanda in the same way many men feel represented by Tony or Steve. You hit the nail on the head for trans goals being basically someone you look up to and see as an example of what you want to be. Your ex isn’t really any different from a lot of cisgender men who equally identify with and want to be like Mark.
That is 100% an issue and the reason people tend to react badly to the idea of “Why not assume Moira or Zarya or JunkerQueen are trans?” type approach.
So long as you have an equal opinion about Cassidy and Ashe, or Torb having a wife. Basically if you want to take the approach of no character should have any type of personality or life, sure. I don’t agree with it, but it’d be consistent.
Honestly, I think calling a PERSON cisgender has the same type of ramifications that say calling a WOMAN a female does (And we had a whole thread about that a while back). In a scientific term cisgender is relevant and has a purpose. But even personal feelings aside, using it casually would be right up there if I walked around calling everyone homosapiens. Sure it may be scientifically accurate, but it’s not really how we speak about each other. It also fits with the whole descriptor - Noun thing. When people say trans women are women, trans men are men. Same on the other side, cis men are men, cis women are women. So in general terms it’s appropriate to just say man, woman, enby, etc.
Yeah. That’s another thing. A lot of trans people also don’t like being shoved into a category as just being trans. Like, that’s not who we are. I don’t introduce myself as being trans. The only reason I bring it up in relationships is because some people are unpredictable about trans people and it’s for my own safety that I do in the first place
I’d rather be like Mercy or Baptiste than Random Trans Character
Also, this. Most Trans people I know don’t go around calling people Cis or cisgender. We only use it when its needed to make the distinction clear whether you’re talking about a trans person or a non-trans person. Typing cis or even cisgender is easier than non-trans or non-transgender.
That said, it unfortunately can be used as a slur. But that’s true for almost any term or label.
But in a discussion such as this, it’s completely appropriate to use the term cisgender.
Also also, I don’t identify as Trans. I am Trans. It’s a small distinction, but it’s there. Trans isn’t my identity, it’s just a part of who I am.
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I will admit there is some recognition based on similarity though. Like, I seriously latched onto Kiriko (started improving my aim purely to play her without being unhelpful to my team). And yeah, the original is because I’m very fond of Japanese Culture and well, the Fox thing. But then she started talking and her voice is a bit lower, a bit rougher than I would normally expect for what is, on stereotype, a shrine maiden. And that seriously clicked with me too.