Ok, but no reloading until you do.
The idea is to make the play of āmove, kill, moveā viable and dangerous to the enemy.
Having him just take a position, and stay there forever is the problem.
This way he can STILL be bastion, and we can buff him REAL hard because he needs that, AND we have stopped the issue with his play style.
This further restricts Bastionā¦ The reload would even give the enemy a chance to attack him, while the shield would probably be burned quickly anyways.
You just arenāt seeing how fragile Bastion might actually be even while buffed.
Yes, he needs to be a glass cannon, but if you restrict reloading or using the hero at all, you restrict playing him.
In lower play, moving less would be detrimental anyways.
This gives the player a learning curve and the skill to apply it.
This gives us the ability to make him as glass or as cannon as we need.
In lower play, that is how he is played though. You walk him to the cart, and he sits there. Everyone else puts up barriers, and the fun begins.
Unless there is a low ranked answer to that style of play, we canāt make the other styles work. Because the buffs needed would make that style too strong.
Plat players have trouble vs pirate ship. your low ranked ones donāt have a chance vs a buffed pirate ship bastion.
So, lets make THAT style weaker, and the higher ranked style (like Kolorblind uses) stronger.
This is one way to do that. We donāt need him to have a low ammo count, but we DO need him to get up and walk around for a while.
ONCE that is done, we can buff the HELL out of him, because the āproblem playā with him isnāt a concern any more.
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This is less true than you may think.
In lower play, according to every low ranked player iāve ever talked to, Bastion is still a joke. And they understand that team play counters team play, even down there.
Now this is laughable.
I havenāt seen a āPirate shipā in plat, for about a yearā¦ not one that worked for more than two minutes.
That style would be weakerā¦ it would still have itās weaknesses.
Please, if you havenāt already as you claimed to have, read through that thread again, and try to see the whole picture.
Lower ammo count allows for him to have higher damage, period.
Right now you can spam shots for damn near 30 seconds or somethingā¦ itās too much to be buffed considerably.
True, people get their stuff sorted, and boom, he isnāt a problem any more, butā¦
The moment we buff him to viablility, it WILL be a problem.
āLower ammo count allows for him to have higher damage, period.ā Which is fine! I think that higher damage bastion is good bastion.
I think we can do it without making his ammo count lower. By making him commit to a fight.
Sometimes, a āProblemā is exactly what you need when facing a hero played by a good player, and teamwork based solely around that hero.
The ammo would have to be lowerā¦ it just would. i cannot see a way around this, and even the original version of Bastion only had 200 ammo.
If heās going to be hitting hard, he canāt hit hard for a full 30 seconds.
The ISSUE is, that style is he same good or bad player.
It will mean he will have a high power level, and low skill expression.
Bad people are as good as good people.
If you buff him when he is like that, to be viable at higher ranks, then he will MONSTER the lower ranks.
I will no longer accept this as an answer.
Playing Bastion doesnāt make your team suddenly good, nor does it make the player good.
I get that. Iāve seen a lot of bad bastions in my time. But once you hit a certain rank that stops happening, they all know their job.
The issue is, outside of people who know HOW to move / fight / move, how they play doesnāt change.
The skill to pirate ship with Bastion at low plat, is the same as high diamond, and that IS a problem.
There has to be skill expression for the hero, and their primary play style doesnāt let that happen.
Which means there is a limit to what we can do with them. I THINK I can get a Bastion rebuild which Blizzard would agree to, but, I canāt do it without solving the Pirate ship problem, around skill expression.
I donāt want bastion changedā¦ Heās the last remaining unique defense hero. Leave my boy alone.
Not with the changes iāve proposed.
Essentially cooldown management, with the shield, and having to actually defend oneself.
That changes everything.
I guess being unplayable is rather unique.
In my rank, diamond, heās not unplayable. Heās just not a generic Soldier copy. He requires a team to work with him.
Sounds like a character that isnāt played in OWL, I can see how it can be forgotten that easily.
He requires a team to make him almost playable.
Thatās not acceptable.
And no, if you play him as a Soldier copy, you arenāt playing Bastion.
Youāre playing fat Soldier.
Which is why I thought your idea was genius.
With pirate ship you outsource your defense to the team. Depending on the values, you will either make it over powered, or useless - and it will be HELL of a hard to get a balance, ESPECIALLY one which worked across different ranks.
The issue isnāt around that I donāt think we can balance Bastion / Pirate ship / Static style for a rank, the issue is, I donāt think we can do it for more than one rank.
How do we balance it so it works in Bronze, to say, Diamond, without it being overpowered in lower ranks.
And i believe it would work.
Read it through again, itās actually fun to see all the changes and such working together.
Pirate ship is already SO counter-able that it hurts.
One Sigma or Sombra, usually wrecks it.
Oh, and why is it a problem for it to work sometimes?
It isnāt a problem for it to work sometimes, I DO want it to work sometimes.
I want it to be viable at different ranks, and not just a low rank option.
Waitā¦ There is a hero called Bastion in this game? Is he the omnic that runs the casino? They did not put him in the game yet, silly.