Another PTR cycle, the same forgotten robot đŸ˜„

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Have any of you players out there played Bastion recently?

No?

Didn’t think so.

Has he been changed or improved recently?

No, didn’t think so.

Is his pickrate barely legible anymore?
No, didn’t think so.

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I was so crestfallen to see Bastion’s name wasn’t even on the PTR update. Please Blizzard
 you can’t avoid us forever


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They probably assume he’s perfectly fine and that their “rework” was a great success!

Shoot me.

Shoot me in the head.

Just don’t use Bastion, cos you’ll fail at that pretty hard.

And honestly, thinking back


I’m starting to think that THIS is their scapegoat.

“Well we heard that someone had an unfun time dying once, so this hero must not need changing, lest someone dies to it again.”

Come on blizzard.
Give me a damn break.

“Too many competing factors” Is also wildly vague
 like, especially in Bastion’s case, i know he hasn’t been mentioned directly by the devs, but having at most a pickrate of 0.04% shouldn’t be too hard to understand.

By this point all i have to say now is


Just give us an answer.

We’re waiting, and we’ve been waiting for literal years. Tiny tweaks and literal nerfs weren’t a viable answer for this hero in that time. You’ve just further ignored the problem.

We’re waiting, and it’s your move.

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I think it’s gotten to the point that Bastion needs a rework. This hero in particular has been awful for the vast majority of the game’s lifespan, which I find unacceptable. I’d say just swap the positions of Configuration: Sentry and Configuration: Tank, and adjust their strength accordingly, while adding and tweaking powers such as Ironclad. I honestly don’t know what’ll happen anymore.

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Who?

That was one of the old heroes, like Sombra who was removed right?

I remember seeing some videos of them back from old overwatch.

They had a shield or something.

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No, I didn’t forget Zenyatta, come on I could never, love Zen


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Zen? I used to main them, back when they were a hero.

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I never mean any offence, but
 why would i play Bastion if Bastion was a glorified Soldier 76, just with extra steps between shooting rockets, and a heavy weight during his ult? (Which wouldn’t even aim bot, and would probably get me killed anyways)

That just doesn’t sound like Bastion.

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Seriously here.

The problem is, like, even I can’t work out what to do with Bastion. It’s all very well being upset with Blizzard, but, damn I wouldn’t know what to do with him in their shoes.

We could start with some buffs, but ultimately we need a plan, and I have no idea what Bastion SHOULD look like at the end of this apart from “viable” which while nice, it’s exactly a blueprint.

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Allow me to explain in a very harsh and blunt way.

Sometimes, the Bastion is going to need to be able to kill you.
Plain and simple.

You cannot balance a hero based on how easy it should be to kill them with every single other hero.

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Sounds reasonable to me.

How do we translate that into buff / nerf / rework balance speak?

I think we could do a LOT more with bastion IF there was a cooldown / timer on Sentry.

I know, it is a big change, but, FROM that we can do quite a lot with him.

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Well, I had a whole thread (that didn’t gain any traction whatsoever unfortunately) but it detailed everything and had numbers. I included the return of Bastion’s barrier from beta, with its health at 900 or so. I don’t really remember all that I wrote.

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I still plan on supporting my own proposed changes, since i believe that they wouldn’t be as incredibly amazingly powerful as people think, when added up together.

I believe it would be balanced across the ranks as well, punishing poor play and rewarding better play.

[New year, new Bastion. đŸ€–]

This is a part of why i never gave hard numbers in my proposed rework


A 900 hp barrier would call forth the torches and pitchforks faster than Doomfist does nowadays.

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I only play him in MH, but even then his weaknesses are easy to abuse.

I’m not the biggest fan of Bastion (stationary playstyles aren’t my favourite) but his existence is his downfall.

I was assuming they’d do something like decrease the time it takes to set up turret mode and allow him to get up faster, especially now that shields are weaker, but nothing.

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The funny part is, they already did this during the first botched rework.
Then, they nerfed him into the ground as “Compensation”

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Yeah, I know people would whine about a barrier. That’s what Junkrat is for though. Isn’t this game all about switching and countering anyway? I even went as far as to disable Self-Repair in the ultimate to compensate. If people don’t like it but they refuse to counter it that’s on them.

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Bastion needs a complete rework.

Sitting there holding down left click while sitting behind a shield is boring gameplay. And any buffs will make him completely OP, especially in the lower ranks.

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Lets try this by the numbers. Go though hero interactions, and situation interactions.

I THINK I can see a way forward.

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They would whine about a barrier with 900 hp, since that’s more than some Tanks have nowadays.

But would they whine about a barrier with 500 hp, on a stationary target?

I think he would still die enough, especially when strategy and good plays are made, that it wouldn’t pose a significant issue.

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You are still allowed to live long enough to actually set up?

lucky


And no, i don’t take this as an answer.
No one plays Bastion like they used to, and if you play Bastion in a stationary way for longer than burning through a clip or two before moving, you’re playing incorrectly.

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