You don’t have to have what you are calling a main healer and there are arguably 4 main tanks
I’m trying to figure how to get the benefit of LFG without spending 20 minutes in setup and queue time.
Disclaimer: back when I still played the game I only played quickplay (apart from placement games in 3 seasons).
I think people should play whatever they want and do the best they can on that hero. Sometimes the team compositions are underwhelming and you lose, but I wish more people could find enjoyment regardless. I was often the Mercy healer in teams with 5 DPS. I never once complained about that, instead I would try to adapt to what was available. Sometimes we, as a team, would come up with a working strategy that fit our unique team composition but even if we didn’t I could still feel pride over the work I was able to perform under the circumstance, which means I still had fun.
I disagree. It’s a bandaid and would quickly stagnate the game further because sometimes triple DPS/GOATS would’ve been a nice alternative to just constant 2-2-2.
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By creating separate queues you will only increase queue times drastically.
Yes, LFG is not ideal. But all problems of LFG come from fact that players for some reason refuse to use it. It is long to find or create party in LFG only because players not using.
And that is stupid. Devs already created a tool that solves a lot of problems hated by players, but players just refuse to use it.
As I said several times before, the main thing that ruins this game is its community.
All these queues would play against each other. Just like with LFG.
It would instead just be more like an automated LFG without leaders, where you autojoin with the role you want.
And if queue times are a problem, make it so you can pick multiple queues and multiple roles per queue.
I think not having a set que for non pro play is a problem
I think I’m going to need to find some other word than queue, because people are acting like 2-2-2’s would only play against 2-2–2’s when that’s not what I meant.
The problem is not there.
The problem is that people will be separated between different queues. The more different queue you create the less players each queue will contain, even if you allow players to join several queues at once.
For example, majority of tanks players could prefer queue X and because of that all other queues that requires tank will have tremendous queue times.
The game desperately needs more restrictions. You can have freedom. Or you can have balance. You cannot have both.
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Okay, so then maybe we do start as simple as possible, and just have:
- 6 Flex
- 2 Tank, 2 Heal, 2 Flex
And you can queue for as many roles or queues at you want.
I think your idea has merit. But rather than queue for a certain comp, what if the teams were required to discuss and then select from one of these comp presets after getting into the match? This provides the structure you suggest without impacting queue times.
Isn’t Bastion/Orisa/Symmetra considered a cheese comp? That’s run with two interchangeable supports and another tank, so it fits into the 2/2/2 idea. Just wanted to point that out xD
That could work, but you’d need to figure out how to do voting, and how to resolve issues of people not getting the role they wanted.
And anyone who has played any mmo can tell, this does not make people want to test tanks and supports( their problems are built in themselves).
I think the solution would be a solo queue like this:
Yeah, true. There would need to be a simple voting GUI and some people would still be forced to fill on roles where they don’t excel. Probably doesn’t solve everything.
I also find hilarious that people are crying for 2/2/2 queues when the meta unfavours the dps.
Funny I did not hear about those when dive and in the end of dive the talks of 3 dps meta were a thing…
Meh, I must be getting old and senile.
6 flex queue will end up being 6 dps in most cases because all tank a support players will queue for 222 because there they will have enormously fast queue times.
After some time players will understand that 6flex queue is trash and than all dps players will queue for 222 too.
In the end we will have one (or many) absolutely abandoned queue(s), and one very popular, but tanks and healers will have fast queue times, while dps players will wait for ages.
Any idea of separate queue will fail simply because of unbalanced tank/support/dps players ratio.
The best thing that you can do is to finally start using LFG and enjoying the game free from any comp problems at all.
So what’s the difference between everybody queuing normally for Comp, and “a lot of people queuing for LFG?”.
Versus 6 Flex, or 2-2-2, with the option to queue for both.