I’m stating how DS would be useless by stating examples of how easily barriers can be destroyed nowadays
Now that I think about it, buffing single barrier comps would also make double off tanks even less viable
I mean, I did figure that one out.
✅ [Brawler Role] DPS Queue Fix
You’d have two queues running in parallel using the same players for both (except barriers)
You’d have:
1BarrierTank-1OffTank-2-2 vs
1BarrierTank-1OffTank-2-2
Or you’d have
2OffTank-2-2 vs
2OffTank-2-2
The matchmaker would try to build as many 1BarrierTank-1-2-2 games as it can, then the rest would be 2OffTank-2-2 games.
I don’t think we would even need shield rebalancing if dive comps came back. Double shield is inherently weak to dive since they are relying on shields. The issue before though was the supports healing a bunker or double barrier comp enough that dive wasn’t considered worth it.
I think at the point we are now, if Reinhardt gets dethroned and people actually learn dive comps again, then the tank lineup will be in a good place.
It’s useless if all you do is just idlely stand by and apathetically watch the enemy team burn down your barriers.
You’re supposed to be shooting the enemy too.
The only thing that will be affected is the barriers. But im all up for buffing their other abilities. Like making Grafitic Flux and usable ult. If you are running two shields, well yes they wont be AS durable, but it wouldn’t stop the composition entirely
he was joking. She has CC, she’s like a borderlands raid boss, its boring.
I think you got a Diamond and above mindset on that. Which is good.
But only 15% of the Comp population is at Diamond and above. Where Dive is something they can coordinate without pulling teeth.
And Comp is less than half of the total player population. So that’s more like 7%.
Everyone complains about Doomfist, I see a fair number of Ball complaints, people love playing Genji and D.va, Mercy and Lucio are popular.
If Winston can gain momentum in the people’s minds then I don’t think double barrier comps would be the huge issue they were before in today’s Overwatch
Woo, another round of DS 
It makes them worse and discourages people from playing them, just like you stated earlier
but this fixes nothing really? you just force the matchmaker to seperate double off-tanks from barrier tanks, in reality you would have to qeue either as main or off-tank and be limited to a smaller pool of characters anyways doing this.
honestly i think the game just needs to be looked at differently and figured out to an extent that you could run double off-tanks into barrier tanks without it being seen as a penalty to your team for having double off-tanks.
and for that to happen i think there needs to be some matches with pros showing that it can be done even at the highest level and it isn’t a fluke and that it could be applicable down the regular ladder aswell.
wether they need to change some of the off-tanks for this to happen is a different story, but it might be necessary but it also might not be.
Those are Dive heroes but “that’s not Dive”.
Even picking all “Dive Heroes” doesn’t mean the team is pulling off the strategy right.
You seem to be alternating between
“THIS MAKES DOUBLE BARRIER USELESS”
And
“THIS MAKES DOUBLE BARRIER TOO META”
Well I know that, but picking any comp doesn’t mean utilizing the strategy right
Double barrier comps can fail easily if Sigma uses up his shield while Orisa’s is still out for instance
Winston’s barrier is perfect right now, plz don’t buff/nerf it.
You assumed I was taking about DS. I was talking about the other main tank combinations
I also stated that double off tank would be even worse than usual
The other combinations would have much better regen though.
That said it might make it so that you have DoubleBarrier on Defence, and something different on Attack.
But again, that’s unheard of gameplay variety, where both teams aren’t running a mirrormatch.
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Also the nice part about a system like this is that it can be balanced. There’s enough knobs and levers to directly target things if needed.
Ideally they could get to a point where DoubleBarrier and SingleBarrier are equal in strength.
It would, but not by much compared to a current version of Rein comps versus DoubleOffTank.
What?
Not likely.
There will always be a magic comp, there will always be a META. METAs are most of the time mirrored.
Exactly
I doubt it
Plus 2 off tanks would be terrible
So we’d have more gameplay variety, even if you got only 1 good comp at high tier?
And a lot more variety for the other 93% of the players that aren’t at Diamond and above.
And it doesn’t solve all problems with DoubleOffTank but it doesn’t really make it much worse either?
A large improvement that doesn’t solve all problems. Is that so bad?
Not likely. Rein has always been popular at the low ranks and all this would do is reintroduce DS, a comp that was notoriously terrible.
It does. Double off tank is generally decent against 1 main tank comps since they have more damage. Buffing 1 main tank comps would make them practically useless
Buffing SingleBarrier for Orisa/Sigma/Winston up to Rein power level, isn’t much different than Rein comps vs DoubleOffTank.
You are making Double Off tank worse against every single barrier comp.