When any player suggest anything 90% of the comments are like
-> This idea is very stupid
-> Game is perfect right now
-> Would destroy the actual gameplay
You guys are really afraid of game-changes features.
But the game is dead atm. The developer left the game.
It only can get better as here.
Please give examples.
Whenever some one made a suggestion, it’s only natural that other people would state their counter-arguments. I see no abnormality here.
Well, without examples, this is little more than an unfounded statement.
Most likely, the suggestions made are ones like adding surrendering to the game (devs themselves have said no), adding vote-kick to the game, adding features from another game into this game… things that are really not going to improve the game because of the downsides that aren’t quickly seen.
Changes to characters, however, are harder to suggest because it’s all too common that the player is making a change without factoring in the rest of the roster… And in more than one case the changes made are ignoring the fact that characters are SUPPOSED to have strengths and weaknesses, and the change removes too much weakness.
Really, if an idea is thought-out enough, you’ll get more support. The less thought put into it, and the more likely it is to get ripped to shreds.
Well, most ideas you’ll find on a community forum will have one or more, more or less obvious flaws, because they are what they are - suggestions from the community.
More often than not suggestions you’ll find here are not as elaborated as real game changes, we’re posting on a forum about that idea but we didn’t get to test it, we didn’t get to have clear insight into our suggestion’s consequences on the game.
This is also a reason why we get to post them here: so we can confront our views and people pointing flaws in one’s suggestion is not blatant refusal, but more of a “your idea looks good, but you haven’t though of that aspect / you could improve your suggestion here and there” message.
90% of suggestions:
Well said but then everyone knows that the HoTS developers prefer to take suggestions at HoTS reddit, so it doesn’t really matter in the end whether posters here love or hate the said suggestions.
Yeah…you are right…i did try so many times to now (from over 2 years).
Mine suggestions was too low rated or stup*d.
Yeah…right some of them are bad thoughtled. Exist such.
“Why peoples “think” mist of suggestion ideas are so bad?!”
Because ppls think they are so smart and high intellected,but some of them think with worng way or “think” they are always right for everything. That is one from reasons why they rated so low.
What was your suggestions Zultek?!
Can you copy and paste again here?!
I want read them.
I copy and paste again mine…
Thats are mine…
Let’s pull some context here:
of the topics you’ve made, or posted in, “90%” of the posts were not against any idea as you so claim. However, some have voiced repeated concerns against similar ideas that have been posted time and again.
In this regard it seems you’re wanting to conflate concern against specific ideas to therefore need to be any idea, and that is incorrect.
While you do confess difficulty with the language (english not being your first) a lot of people don’t put in the time to both read all of what is written and also put in the extra time to try to decipher what you mean.
When the proposal for an idea comes off as:
“game is dying, game could be best game, they must listen to me, here is idea”
…its not very compelling and can turn people off from the given ideas esp when the reasoning presented is made on false or disagreeable premises.
In one of your topics you wrote
That’s simply not correct: outside of orphea all those heroes has qualities that had been requested for years, though from a superficial skim of the forum, yea, there’s going to be complaints that said hero wasn’t the one a person wanted, but that was a high concentration of requested heroes.
Statements like that demonstrate skewed perspectives, flawed reasoning and undermine reader rapport to endure them to someone who says
It takes a lot more effort to try to figure out what you mean on top of shifting through a tangled web of fixated ideas that come off that they aren’t interested in a discussion, esp with complications of a language barrier at hand.
People do not necessarily have problems with suggestions in the forums, but rather it is on a case by case basis. Best to look out for the following:
Best to look up if the suggestion was posted before, and read reasons why people may have disagreed or liked the idea. If the idea is constantly brought up and shot down (especially if blue directly says so), then it is considered a dead horse topic (items, individual xp, surrender).
Suggestion need to be based and framed as the persons opinion, and they should not claim they are stating facts or speak for the majority.
Poster should also be willing to accept contrary opinions without immediately considering everyone against it a troll or an idiot. It would also help if the poster is able to take pointers from objections to adjust the suggestion or know when to drop the idea due to it being infeasible or unpopular.
Darn you, beat me to it 
I agree with your every word.
I will tell you why people are so quick to judge and find flaws: BECAUSE ITS SO EASY. Its really freaking hard to construct and so dang easy to destruct. People can destruct an argument quicker than poo through a goose. Constructing based on what youve said is very difficult and takes a bit of intelligence, that of which most people on this forum lack. People on this forum love to go line by line and destruct everything youve said as youve just seen. It makes them feel good. They are agents of chaos.
I tell you what though, combating against these demonic sources is the hardest thing to do. Every bit of angst you feel toward them is a sign that you want to beat them. We SHOULD be quicker to be constructive; however, its much easier to be destructive. Doesnt take any intelligence to poke holes in a balloon, its fixing those holes that takes effort.
Just know there are good people out there that read your ideas and agree with you, even though they may not have the courage to comment and say so.
Why do you hate criticism?
From my experience, most of the “Suggestion(s)” threads are born from some kind of personal frustration about the game and suffer from heavy tunnel vision.
I would also not include all comments opposing the suggestion as empty critics since time to time they expose either fallacies or potential issues rising if the suggestion at hand gets implemented.
Because making good, well thought out, and new, suggestions is hard and a vast majority of them are not.
Thus they are ripped upon, because they are bad suggestions.
Did you ever actually read the disagreement to whatever suggestions you made or did you just assume any naysaying was just because people hate the very concept of suggestions?
For example: The forfeit option. Because that thread has been bumped yet again. If you suggest it yet again, people will not even bother being nice about it. Because it’s been gone over again and again and again, on every level. To post it yet again simply means that you either didn’t bother to take a look at the forums to see if it was already discussed or didn’t care. Or had the bizarre idea that everyone would have changed their mind in the interim.
Its really astonishing that the same people who use these types of arguments seems to endorse and want echo chambers to flourish.
It’s ok my dudes, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with people disagreeing with you, you know why?
I mean
printf("I agree with you OP\n");
Also btw you guys should try to remove all the holes when creating those suggestions so they become universally tougher to address, in most cases most of the replies are “what if x happens” because the ones that you are selling the suggestion to has found a concern in your suggestions at the same time.
How the hell is this so hard to understand?
Everybody deserves a right to an opinion in this game. If you don’t agree with the OP, then I suggest you just to reply with your concerns over their topic and see if you two can come up with a conclusion. Similar to how we he “downers” reply the same.
If you can’t do that simple concept like the rest does in this forum and every internet forum then forums are not made for you.
You seem to have a weak mind. Do you get offended by that? From your post you sound offended. Why dont you try to construct and improve their argument and not try to tear them down? You must be one of the people that find it easier to tear down people’s ideas. An agent of chaos.
Dont sound so butthurt sami, take a chill pill and just comment with ways to improve the argument.
Hmmm. Seems like you need a lesson from youre own research…why include all the bold print if you didnt want to emphasize the fact that youre calling people with drafted ideas dense?