Who would you draft?

You need to draft a def/bruiser that will win solo vs artanis.

Varian CS. At lvl7 got sustain, lvl 13 shield killer, also adds nice immortal race potential.
Arthas or malthael can also work.

Falstad looks like bad pick for this map. Your team lacks a mage.

I absolutely didn’t think that. What makes Aba so good on two lane maps?

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He is viable, but is he really ban worthy? I have never had an issue with an Abby comp on BoE, mostly because sending a camp down his lane during the objective keeps him otherwise occupied. His mines giving vision on rotations can be helpful, but the objective seems too extended for his clone to be a game changer.

I checked on Heroes Profile (I know, I know…) and it seems to be one of his worse maps by win rate.

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As it should be, I don’t know how should he be fine there.

About the op:
Yea, Tyrael seems like an okay pick. He’s good against Lùcio in my books.

I would’ve went Malthael I think, cuz he can help in the race a bit and have a nice time against Stitches and Artanis.

Other considerations:

  • Greymane (race, frontline busting and backline diving, good camp taking)
  • Imperius (lane bully, second frontline, CC, tankbusting)
  • Arthas (good laning, Artanis counter, second frontline, Sindragosa is devastating with won obj)
  • Uther (second frontline, Lili heal help, lane bully, CC, poke, DShield for Valla)
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I probably would have chosen Varian.

Potentially 3 of the enemy heroes use shields which Varian can hard counter later during the game. Taunt Varian could also work wonders against Lucio due to all the high burst the team has. Also can parry away damage if focused.

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Slapathur is the best hero for racing immortal. :wink:

More seriously: Maybe he was banned after Valla or Raynor was picked. At least that makes a little bit of sense for racing, kinda?

I’m assuming they are sending artanis to the solo lane so I’d pick someone good against Artanis and can still help w. race and get camps

Sonya
Thrall (for damage to their tanks and immortal)
Xul W build
Possibly Tassadar

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sees the enemy has no CC besides Jaina’s slow and ULT that roots

laughs in sadism with Alarak … wait a second we need camps and laning … ****.

Ok, since it’s an epi-center-esq map with them likely grouping up with no CC …

Laughs in Qhira’s Infinite Un-relenting Strikes as enemies try to gank her with 4+ people as she lanes at level 20+ in order to LOOK like a noob

I think Exterminator is overrated on BOE you are giving up teamfight damage for about 80 points of dmg.

I think exterminator is Raynor’s best talent overall but on BoE is just too good to be true.

If you don’t pick exterminator in BoE when would you ever pick it? There’s no better map for it!

If the team has a working brain they will have Jimmy race immortal while the other four stall opponents.

If the above fails Jimmy can burn opposing immo down fast.

It also allows jimmy quickly solo any camp, camp timing in this map is crucial.

Exterminator is so good that i consider picking “Rallying Cry” at 13 to exploit it even more.

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Something doesn’t need positive winrate to be ban worthy. Aba is extremely annoying in BoE, but the team needs to play the comp correctly. Aba was actually one of the first bans in BoE on high level play all the time.

Basically you have aba soaking the lanes while the objective is up and no one is commiting to the fight. You also have mines everywhere to see where the enemy team is. And then you also have the fact that most really good heroes on this map are really good clone heroes, valla, ming, greymane, cassia and many others.

Obj usually don’t take a fort early game, so mule is extremely viable here as well.

#just aba things.

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thats easy, never. Its a trap talent stacking his auto attack build will pass exterminator easily, and taking exterminator locks you into lower AA dmg in team fights all game long.

If you’re answer is anything other than a tank. you are part of the ranked problem.

Not sure if directed at me or others in this thread (or both), but who would you draft?

I do not play tank but pretending I was good at that role. I would probably have to go ETC or Garrosh.

Once again I am not a good tank so it would not work but based on just hero and team comp, that would be the wya to go.

Just read the numbers from heroes profiles masters rank stas
Veteran Marksman WR% 48.64 - Pick% 16.65
Ace in the Hole WR% 50.25 - Pick% 30.53
Exterminator WR% 52.86 - Pick% 52.82

What is the stacking auto attack build? Veteran marksman? Did you read it properly? It increases damage of your trait, meaning just one out of four AA by 1% each stack.

In an average game Raynor gets to 40-60 stacks.

In order to match exterminator PvE damage you need 200 stacks
In order to match Ace in the hole damage you need 40 stacks and provides no utility.

This means Veteran Marksman never gives higher value then the other two talents.

I guess people picks Veteran Marksman because they like to see the quest trigger, too bad it won’t make them win games.

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Gross falstad solo lane on a two lane map. I’d rather have had a bruiser solo lane and flame the falstad low key… because of falstad, now the team is gonna have to have a bruiser or 2nd tank somewhere.

I might even have to suck it up and say playing with the hand dealt, either a bruiser with the four man or Zarya with the four man to heal+support protect the valla comp

They got Mei already lol. The only thing they lack is an offlaner.

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I like bruiser mei along with another main tank. She does great damage and the extra CC in team fight is dumb.

Don’t think she deals nearly enough damage to be compared to a bruiser. He trade potential and waveclear is also low early, so she will never have prio in her lane.

Her as a tank though, god she is powerful. She is extremely tanky and has so much control over fights.

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