Unofficial fact - there are up to Wood 5 / Bronze 10 Rank

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TL;DR at the bottom.

Some of you might remember, in my hypothetical Bronze 5 Rank layout, I figured there were up to B9, B5 as W1 then 2,3,4,5. Seems like I was wrong and there are up to B10/W5 (then again, not surprising as that makes it more clean).

Today, in Fan’s B2GM, he almost made it to B4, off by only 1 point (Bar to the end). Then he proceed to lose the next 2 games, B4 journey postponed to tomorrow. But it basically showed how B5 and below Rank are set.

Data collected:
The account started with 1 win this season (not by Fan)
( ) is unknown as Fan skipped the screen before gain/loss pops up.

1st day stats

Summary: 11 Win / 1 Loss

Hero Win/Loss Points gain/loss
Malfurion Win 6
Probius Win ( )
Stiches Win 6
Brightwing Win 9
TLV Win 10
Abathur Loss -7
Sgt.Hammer Win 10
ETC Win 8
Xul Win ( )
Anduin Win ( )
Abathur Win ( )
Tracer Win 8
2nd day stats

Summary: 8 Win / 0 Loss

Hero Win/Loss Points gain/loss
Nazeebo Win ( )
Rexxar Win 9
Alarak Win ( )
Li ming Win 10
Zeratul Win 10
Stiches Win 11
KTZ Win 31
Johanna Win 39
3rd day stats

Summary: 7 Win / 2 Loss

Hero Win/Loss Points gain/loss
Yrel Win 16
Zeratul Win 15
Varian Win 15
Thrall Win ( )
Zeratul Win 16
Kharazim Win 16
Li Li Loss -16
Arthas Loss -15
Li Li Win 16
4th day stats

Summary: 8 Win / 3 Loss

Hero Win/Loss Points gain/loss
Gall Loss -16
Jaina Win ( )
Abathur Win 15
Alex Win 16
Nova Loss -16
Li Li Win ( )
TLV Win 16
ETC Loss ( )
Falstad Win 16
Zagara Win ( )
Dva Win 22
5th day stats

Summary: 7 Win / 1 Loss

Hero Win/Loss Points gain/loss
Morales Win 26
Li ming Win ( )
Dva Loss -25
Dva Win 25
Valla Win 25
Ana Win ( )
Abathur Win 24
Imperius Win 26
6th day stats

Summary: 7 Win / 1 Loss

Hero Win/Loss Points gain/loss
Stukov Win 25
Anduin Win 26
TLV Loss ( )
Sgt.Hammer Win 25
Deckard Win ( )
Kharazim Win ( )
Zuljin Win ( )
Zeratul Win 30
7th day stats

Summary: 7 Win / 4 Loss

Hero Win/Loss Points gain/loss
Murky Loss -30
Morales Win 23
Dva Win 65
Ana Loss -65
Murky Win 65
Azmodan Win ( )
TLV Win 67
Deckard Win 67
KTZ Win 66
Zuljin Loss -66
Stiches Loss -59

7th day, KTZ game Won is when he was 1 point off from B4.

If you see the score, there are occasional jumps in points gain. Those parts are obviously when Fan jumps a rank/promoted.

If we backtrack from the most recent ones, we can figure,

65-67 points gain/loss ----------- Bronze 5

24-26 points gain/loss ----------- Bronze 6 / Wood 1

15-16 points gain/loss ----------- Bronze 7 / Wood 2

9-11 points gain / loss ----------- Bronze 8 / Wood 3

6 - 8 points gain / loss ----------- Bronze 9 / Wood 4

And from Fan’s previous runs, we know some B5s gain/lose 4 points per game.

4 - 5 points gain / loss ----------- Bronze 10 / Wood 5

Normally you would gain/lose 200 points per game (not always precise numbers, 190, 210, varying).

200 / 3 = 66.7, almost similar as what Fan gained/loss.
66.7 / 2.5 = 26.7, ditto.
26.7 / 1.5 = ~17
17 / 1.5 = ~11
11 / 1.5 = ~7
7 / 1.5 = ~4

This is just points gain/loss calculation though. It doesn’t reflect how many wins/loss you need to promote, demote a rank.

TL;DR:

It took Fan approx 5 wins to get from B5 to B4 (not there yet, but basically). It took Fan approx 12 wins each to get from B8 —> B7 —> B6 —> B5. It took Fan couple of games to get from B9 to B8.

B5 —> B6 / W1 : need net -5 loss
(reaching the hidden rank of HotS)
B6 / W1 —> B7 / W2: need approx. net -12 loss
B7 / W2 —> B8 / W3: need approx. net -12 loss
B8 / W3 —> B9 / W4: need approx. net -12 loss
B9 / W4 —> B10 / W5: need approx. net -12 loss

For easier visualization (if you consider win/loss as +200/-200 points), B5 has 1000 points total (do not let 66 points gain fool you. you still only need 5 net wins to get out of B5). Rest, B6-B10, each has 2500 points total.

And I would figure, you would need another net -12 loss to hit bottom of the bottom B10 / W5, 0 / 100000 whatever points in SL.

Hope this helps for B5 players who are wondering how much win do they need to reach the next theshold, B4.

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I appreciate the dedication and format.

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Very good write up. What is frustrating is that this info is not in the client, therefore every week someone makes a ‘bug report’ about their point gain in B5
(when in fact B5 is a new league of its own, that technically goes down to B6-B10).

Riot solved this by just renaming B6-B10 as ‘Iron’ league. I wonder if the Legacy team here could pull something like that?

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I would love to see a Wood League though. HOTS is already meme’ing so having a Wood League wouldn’t be out of place.

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i don’t think they ‘solved’ the issue. I generally don’t bother with lol at all, but if I search their reddit, I still see topics made regarding point gain/loss differences. Apparently lol also has a ‘derank’ shield to prevent players from falling down into a rank immediately after a promotion, but that seems like that contributes to sudden league/mmr/division jumps.

From what I surmise, bronze has a speculative ‘5’ extra ranks, but that could have increased, and may yet continue to increase as time goes on. Having a particular label apart from what it has doesn’t really ‘fix’ the concern of the sort to be there, be stuck, and upset at the system. Other games with mmr has a similar rutzone and there’ll be people explaining it time and again as a consequence of ELO-like systems.

What makes things frustrating for people is a lack of information, be it they’re willing to understand it or not. While new labels can help, unless there’s a UI change to make better feels for fake-progress, calling it something else doesn’t ‘solve’ the issue of visual compression for playerbase sorting.

If anything, ‘wood’ isn’t dynamic enough as should be disregarded for instead something like the “antimaster blackhole league: light doesn’t escape, and neither will you”

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I just think Wood is kind of ‘derogatory’ at this point. Like it’s not a real league name (like Iron in League of Legends) but something to insult players with.

Though heroesprofile did adapt it as-such on their site, and you can filter matches even by ‘Wood’ league (below bronze 5) :smiley:

Just a matter of semantics though. Any dignified name would do.

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HP’s use of ‘wood’ isn’t “below bronze 5”, it’s for when players don’t have enough games uploaded.

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It doesn’t really solve the problem. What riot did is just a deligation of the problem to iron5, because no matter how bad you are, there will always be someone who is worse.
What riot did is just stretching out the playerbase.

That beeing said, also applies to to top end of MMR. This is why master is not divided into braces. You can collect infinity master points and the one with the most of them is GM1.
When the playerbase was bigger and we had people like ‚Rich‘ playing HL, he had up to 20000 master points. This means he was playing like 20 leagues higher than Diamond.
This goes on both directions.
The lower end of the ELO can be b10 but it can also be b30.
We will never know.

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How about Aluminum League? It’s a useful material and can also be recycled!

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Or vegan league or would that be too harsh for people that eat meat ?

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