Considering the state of the world I’m not sure I’d particularly judge anyone who desires to shy away from it.
At any rate, that was just you being rude.
If you want a more “competitive” experience of Hots in the vein of an organized IRL competitive sports, then join one of the many amateur Hots leagues that still exist.
Problem solved for you in a few lines while skipping almost 100 unneeded posts.
Rank only matters if you try hard. If you just plays casually ranks should not be that important. I’m happy to know I’m just a plat/low diamond accorting to HP. Then I know I already reached the max rank potential I can get solo.
You dont spend 2 days a week traning with your team and play 1 game in the weekends like you do in real life sports unless you try hard in a team that want to play vs other try hard teams like they do in Amature Hots tournements.
In this game you log in and play solo or with your friends and thats it. And then you reach that rank you belong in at some point when your skill to carry have reached max potential.
That…really didn’t help you at all. See, I’m the person who really doesn’t get swayed by trash talks on the internet (yes, that includes in in-game). Firm root, logic, not emotion is what dictates me. It only shows your mental state, not mine. So keep on trying if that’s what you want. 
No where else in competitive sports and gaming is this a thing. It’s a modern contrivance created very recently by lazy developers and naive players who’ve never engaged in competitive sports.
Worse, even, it’s just a player engagement strategy that takes advantage of player psychology in a bid to incentivize participation in the grander monetization strategies employed by modern AAA game studios.
but like I said at the begining…
Mostly because…
In other words, I don’t engage with the rating/ranking system.
That means if I want to play nothing but Zul’Jin for the next 6 months, that’s what I’m going to do.
Dude, you haven’t used a once of logic this entire conversation. It’s all emotional nonsense centered around your desire to feel value in a system that isn’t what you want to believe it is. That’s why I’m giving up on you.
GL&HF
Hardly true. Every human has a skill limit, even more so in physical sports where you are often limited by this frail aging form known as a physical body.
You are simply looking for excuses. As I said, if you want a competitive Hots experience go join one of the amateur leagues and stop reaching for excuses.
This would’ve been a legit criticism on a different topic. Just not this one.
And why is it always/mostly who are on the way bottom say this I wonder (in this case, with regards to HotS). In Day9’s vid you linked, someone mentioned that as well, of how some noob is gonna use that excuse of the vid.
I never did. Most of what I said is drawing a line between RL and internet interaction. This thread is about your emotional nonsense centered around your desire to demean any value in a system that you don’t want to acknowledge (likely because of your current position in that system).
I’m not the person who almost cried, or was it, feel like crying, when they dropped to Bronze from Diamond (still think it was Silver for you) because of terrible team mates (when I watched your gameplays, you simply weren’t good).
Dang this memory.
Fell free to do it. But your teammates who will end up losing rank points becasue of you cant play him properly will get mad at you and report you for playing a hero you properly are bad with and make 4 others lose rank point becasue of that.
Also all the time you have spend here trying to tell people why you dont like ranked you could have spend that time climbing out of whatever rank you are stuck in.
Also stop pretending you belong in a rank you cant even reach.
If you are not good enough then you belong in the rank you are in just like how football teams gets downgraded to 1 division if they fail to win enough games or tennis players that lose ranks from losing too many games. The list goes on.
The thread’s title is “a broken ladder”. But we moved away from it quite a bit…
HotS’ ranking system do work as ladders should be. You can go up and down or stay where you were, based on your success of refusing to be put down.
The baseless claim that this ladder (which is the same like everywhere else) is broken is “supported” by another baseless claim, that it’s not competitive. Which was proven false.
Its shoehorning comparition with more cemented teamsports only show one thing: it’s not a teamsport unless you form teams.
This sport -tho a teamgame- can be played solo. In which case, this is a competitive “1v1”, but you’re never alone.
Teamsports are also 1v1s, but the unit is the team and not the individuals. This is an example of why it’s just as competitive.
It is proven that ppl who can do more than others (meaning the word “skill”, which @Op dislikes for some reason) will win more, defeat more and get better ratings. Another reason why it’s competitive. And this axiom is the reason the ladder cannot be ever truly broken (unless it’s tweaked in such way purposefully, which was proven to be not the case).
So all this is just the nonsense of someone who (is might be 50+ years old, might not and) just cannot accept the fact that organized tournaments need organization (the thing ladders usually lack), which SL doesn’t have, but HotS does.
But organization =/= competitiveness.
Baloney.
Nonsense. Just because I have 30 seconds to write a reply in-between development progress bars, doesn’t mean I have time to play a game of HotS.
You’re local Pub Dart League or Neighborhood Volleyball League team isn’t going to get “downgraded”. You’re talking about a very specific instance of very specific professional sport organizations.
Come back down to earth.
Nobody in this thread is talking about anything even remotely close to this reply you made.
I did, I told you to join a Hots amateur league. You have deliberately decided to ignore that as it addresses your complaints. At this point I’ll assume you’re posting this thread for the lavish attention you’re receiving.
What part of watching a progress bar go up and down is competitive?
What analogue of such an experience that exists in the sports world can you provide that will cement your argument in reality?
And this is where your arguments leave the firm world of reality and dive head first in an imaginary make believe fantasy world.
I would if I had the time to do so but only being able to play an infrequent 4-5 games per week at odd times prevents me from doing so.
There was a time when I did exactly that though and had a blast.
But the critique I’m making is different…
Watching the progress bar moving is as competitive as watching your football team’s score in the championship. It’s not.
The competition is within the matches themselves.
It’s not an argument.
Chess is 1v1 and it’s competitive.
SC is 1v1, where units can move on their own, just like your random teammates do and it’s competitive.
If the base unit is not individuals but teams, even soccer is 1v1.
The ability to chose a fix team (playing as 5) or to chose a random team (playing solo for example) does not affect its competitiveness.
It’s not how organized sports work, but sports are competitive even without such things. And HotS has its own organized events, which work like real life sport events.
Enjoy.
Hard disagree. When I’m playing football with an organized team, I don’t just see the team’s record in a vacuum. There is no abstraction on the leaderboard. I know exactly what teams I am playing against and can make value judgements on the comparisons between my team and the others. more importantly, I don’t need to just play more games to increase the visibility of my win rate. Teams play a set number of games per season and there is a human relatable number of teams that my team is competing with. Knowing who the opposing teams are, how they play, where their strong and weak points are, are all part of the competitive equation.
SL is absolutely nothing like that.
Baloney. If this were the only consideration for the competitive experience there would be no need to keep an ongoing record of wins and loses. There’s a reason why GM has an actual competitive leaderboard and it’s because it’s a fundamental requirement for it to be considered a competitive experience.
Indeed it is. But it’s also not a team game. And there’s a reason why nobody takes SC2 team games seriously as a measure of individual player skill. There is no real world analog for team games where individual players are rated and ranked in a way that affects the outcome of that sports leaderboard. None. This is only a creation of video game studios whose entire rationale for doing it this way is so that they can drive up their engagement numbers and consequently their ability to monetize the game.
Just because you don’t want to believe it doesn’t mean it’s not true. SL is a skinner box through and through. it’s is not and it was never designed to be a competitive ladder.
It’s not a matter of opinions.
You can dislike the progressbar and like the scoreboard of sportgames, but it’s the exact same thing. A way to show where they are compared to the others.
It’s also what other sports do tho.
The teams need to play to show how well they can perform compared to the others
And the more they play, the more accurate it is, so the luck is sorted out.
You see what are the teams’ Hero/Draft-based weaknesses. And there are tricks to see the profiles of the enemies.
The win/loss ratio =/= the progressbar. And win/loss ratios are the base for determining who wins over the others in a lot of competitions which aren’t elimination-based.
Thank you captian… xD
You’re either bad at comprehension skills or you twist every point others make on purpose.
When most are free and has no p2w aspects especially in draft-modes where the new, most “money-requiring” characters are banned anyway…
It’s see ridiculously delusional to think the current system exists to gain money xD
It got created so ppl can know how well they perform compared to the average/rest. It is not created for team games, but totally works there as well, because nothing matters just the only true constant: the player.
It is a competitive ladder:
This is what I’m saying. You misuse words, link meanings to them they don’t have and complain about your ignorant misunderstandings.
What you claim to want: an organised experience (which you won’t cuz you have no time, while real life versions need time as well)
What you think you complain about: competitiveness (which is not defined by how organised the competition is)
What your thread is supposed to be: a thread about the ladder
I just outlined how they aren’t anything remotely the same. That you want to just ignore all that is your problem.
The fact is that you are a rat in a skinner box and don’t want to admit it to yourself because that will destroy the fantasy for you.
No sport in the world lets players play any amount of games they want to play and then ranks everyone equally across the board.
You literally don’t know what the word competition means.
That’s not my problem.
noun
The activity or condition of striving to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others.
Look, it’s what HotS is as well! 
I highlighted the important part for you.
Here are some more defintions with highlights:
an event or contest in which people compete.
the person or people with whom one is competing, especially in a commercial or sporting arena; the opposition.
Competition is a rivalry where two or more parties strive for a common goal which cannot be shared: where one’s gain is the other’s loss
Here are some actual examples of a Ladder competition leaderboard:
https://heroesofthestorm.com/en-gb/leaderboards/storm/21/americas/
https://starcraft2.com/en-us/ladder/grandmaster/1
https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/standings
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=NFL+leaderboard#sie=lg;/g/11rktxc7nd;6;/m/059yj;st;fp;1;;;
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=MLB+leaderboard#sie=lg;/g/11r_r0c_sb;4;/m/09p14;st;fp;1;;;
You highlighted how bad you are at reading comprehension and logical skills…
The (activity or condition of striving) to (gain or win) by (deafeating or establishing superiority over) others.
“OR” means you can choose.
In HotS you play against 5 players which you and your team can defeat.
Therefore, it’s an Activity to Win by Defeating others. Thus a Competition.
Sit down you failed your test.
Who have you won (OR lost against)?
What are their names?
Did you play a game against the players you think are competing against?
No?
Looks like you’ve failed the competition test.
The other team. Team “Red”.
Battletags visible. It’s ppl.
Man, you are so bad even at this… grasping at… whelp, not even straws…