I am not being emotional.
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A lot of “haha, they do a funny” poking at Xen/Orange doesn’t add anything substantial as well people… You can just heart the one you agree with and leave them be.
Also bye blue I never heard off untill someone linked a thread with you explaining how forced wins/losses weren’t a thing. So thanks for that, enjoy the greener pastures.
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That’s pretty much all your replies to me in a nutshell: don’t deny, clarify, etc etc, just point the finger instead.
While that post does not outright “deny” the specific line, the implied denial come further down than you’ll connect from one line to the next.
That’s part of why your line-item reading style is a disservice: if the ‘expected’ reply isn’t in the spot you demand it to be, you’ll pretend it isn’t the case.
They would; but you’d have to stop ignoring particulars, be better informed, and stop strawmanning arguements (fighting what you imagine to be the case) to functionally notice.
Similarly, the casting of this as a “trial” is further to my point; you expend things only in opposition, so you’d view it as a plaintiff vs defendant narrative and neglect all other possibilities.
What you presented isn’t just “8 months of inactivity” and the reflection of that can be seen in how you interacted with other posters, and where disagreements where had.
What I have been trying to address this whole time is:
a) there’s stuff you miss, and pretty much intentionally do
b) you miscast what other people write in favor of polarized arguments
c) you have a mistrust of other people that do not agree with you and argue circles trying to force what they right to suit a specific argument
d) You refuse to accept “proof” for things that do not agree with any of the above issues.
You have a strong tendency to repeat, or fixate, on a specific “flaw” but rarely actually consider that it doesn’t suit your polarized narrative.
When I point out that people don’t read what I wrote, it’s because they didn’t. In the exchange of back and forth, when I set a particulark remark, or litmus test, those bits are commonly overlooked that indicate something what NOT read in favor of them arguing what they want to think.
This constant back and forth from you indicates that you did not read particulars because you have an assumption to met. If someone asks an actual question particular to the discussion, yea, I’ll answer it, But if the question is ‘loaded’ – then I may point out why it’s a bad question, or why the circumstances of that being asked indicate a particular flaw of the conversation.
I’ve stated this stuff out before, and you didn’t read it then, and you’re not reading into it now.
That, is a key indication of the problems of this back and forth, or rather, how you try to rationalize your conduct to others instead of just relenting a touch for better communication.
All this stuff that you keep casting at me is the stuff I pointed out about you, and you’re that far behind in the posts that you haven’t even noticed.
Then be consistent with that.
You don’t stick to the “fact” you want to present, get off on other stuff, get called out on it, and then try to rationalize the conduct by ignoring the particulars of what others wrote in favor of your prescribed narrative.
But because you have a “fact” that then makes all the other assumptions magiicaly ‘okay’ to you.
Devs being absent is one thing; does that indicate someone doesn’t “like to post here” or that they’re a “good/bad/whatever” person? No. That’s speculation at best, and when you do it, you tend to make really bad assumptions. The extent of those assumptions can be seen in the replies you have given me to the point I doubt you read what you actually write because you already think it “right”, so it doesn’t matter on the particulars.
And that’s the issue I keep trying to point out.
If the ‘problem’ was what you wanted to actually address, then a new topic requesting/suggesting more involvement from the blues would get a whole loe more support because conduct would be consistent with claim. However, your fixation is on being “right” and that is demonstrated on how you respond to other posters, cast stuff in a polarized “false dilemma” and few things in only two possibilities.
That’s part of why you’re terrible at ‘debate’ and terrible at suggestions: you cast things into confrontations by assuming someone elses’s posts to be something that you only cherry-pick to reinforce.
Of what you cast about “what I do”, the mechanisms you identify suit the narrative and attack the stuff because it isn’t want you expect/want, and that’s the point.
You want things to be one of two things; I post that there are more than two possibilities/options/outcomes.
The basic premise is one of misunderstanding what people write, and then trying to fault them for it.
You aren’t the sort to say “gee, maybe I should look back, maybe I should consider a different perspective than I have before” You have your bottom line, and expect the world to revolve around it.
If you happen to develop enough self-awareness to curb that a little, you’ll find your “blunt” honesty to actually be a bit more ‘honest’.
Otherwise, as I’ve said before in this, you pretty much ignore what you’re doing and fault the other person for the defects of your conduct.
Does my magically pointing that out make me impervious to fault/flaw/error? NO, but when the topical concern is that a person is saying this can only be one or the other, and the ‘reality’ is that there’s more than two outcomes, they do a disservice to any and everyone else by ignoring that.
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Ive never watched winnie the pooh beforr but that quote is just fantastic and has alot lf dept.
Also , a huge thanks for your passion in this game. It has been a blast having you as one of the game designers 
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I also have organs.
Perhaps we should stop fanning flames. Right now there’s not actually anything wrong with these arguments/debates, aside from perhaps it would have been nice if it could have been it’s own thread.
This, blue posts derail threads, so if there’s already a lively discussion, they stay out of it. This isn’t just me saying it either, it’s how all of the CM’s on the D3 side operated when I was a green poster over there.
If people can’t even keep a farewell thread on topic, there’s no hope for a regular old thread.
This, this right here is why they don’t talk to us more often.
OrangeJuice, stop being petty, learn some maturity, and go make your own thread to lob your complaints.
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That’s just an excuse. One of the particularly successful Blizzard developers - Ghostcrawler or whatever the hell he was (has been working at Riot for years now I believe) - seems to have had an active posting/interaction style. It’s a question of character, conviction, and comfort. A lot of people just prefer excuses. Anyway, actions are more important than words when it comes to developers. You can have some developers who chat to no avail.
Have you ever posted on the WoW side? A thread being derailed to this extent would have been quickly dealt with with multiple users being banned in the process.
But rather than derail the thread further myself, I’m just going to leave it at that.
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Even more than ten years ago? Yuch. I’m certainly no fan of heavy-handed moderation. How’s that game doing, by the way? I gave it a shot and was left horrified. Maybe I’m just prone to being horrified…
Don’t know, my Collector’s Edition is still factory sealed.
That is an extraordinarily strange statement.
It means I haven’t even claimed my Shadowlands key. I have zero interest in WoW.
So how do you know the way that forum was moderated? I would imagine a place like TeamLiquid would have been where pretentious twerps reigned.
Just gonna mute this thread now. It has just become Xen and Orange personal flame thread.
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You clearly haven’t visited the WoW forums lately. The moderation there is a disgrace.
From what I understand, WoW forums can only be used for “overmoderation horror stories” because it’s by far the most toxic forums and to bad half the people there might still be undermoderation. But that’s just going off what I’ve been told.
The forum isn’t that bad. People have legit concerns and the Horde-bias and Alliance-mocking from the developers is annoying. People always scream there “where is the evidence” while there are several lists out there with videos, beta-images (Horde emblem below Varian’s grave) and actual wowhead news about Alliance-nerfs while Horde ones won’t get done so fast. Most well-known one are ironically the one from the HotS (Alterac Valley Alliance/Horde rewards) and WoW deep dive panel where Alliance-players have been compared to casual idiots which is why they added AI battleground bots (“you’re welcome, Alliance”).
What in the world?
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