Strongest heroes in lore atm

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i agreed with some stuff to say the least, but i just wanna stop you for a sec

you hold RIIIGHT there XD , i just wanna clarify that, the cho’gall you see in game, is an absolute wimp compared to the actual one. that one is about the size of four seige tanks stacked, has eyes and tentacles EVERYWHERE, has the hammer of twillight, AND is actually more powerful than you know.

the corruption is so powerful in game that i think it will automagically cut the khala away ( if you are using the khala which is a weak statement considering technically it was cut in game before the battle happened)… their dark magic can be used to corrupt their very blood, transforming them into his own army. he was so powerful he was able to use telekenetic powers with the darkness, and can erupt the ground on the very ship with dark tendrills. he has also shown to be able to summon a multitude of creatures from fire, shadow , and corrupted adherents which violently explode. the tentacles even shoot beams of darkness at enemies . powers of anhilliating darkness and infinite night. and we didn’t even begin talking about the hammer, an arctifact said to be one of the greatest creations of the old gods.

lemme tell you how this will go: artanis will charge head on, trying to go for the kill, but forgets that cho’gall has the vision clarity of the old gods themselves, which can see the deepest of thoughts and see everything happeneing despite being imprisoned. he would swing the twillight hammer percisely when he arrives, yeeting him away. vorazun will sneak behind him invisible, but again, old god vision is practically detection. so either he would use his telekenetic powers of darkness, or he will yeet her away with the hammer. dont forget, that cho’gall are two entities. so they can really fight both enemies… with both on the floor, they can either just impale them from underground spikes, or , if the protoss are back, just summon more creatures to burn and corrupt them. with the amount of telekenetic powers they have and their sheer brute force i really dont think they can win.

as for benedictus, i am going to agree that he isn’t the most powerful thing you can bring to the portal, but ill be super generous and say he will fight the normal soldiers. because he is very weak against any protoss hero. he will still do alot of damage however, since he also shows alot of power in his homing orbs of twilight.

ill tell u a bigger challenge is if you send ragnaros alone, since he can REALLY USE SOME OF YOUR SOLAR CORE hehehe

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Raganarous would be a good battery for a purifier carrier, also, good look trying to corrupt a protoss. Not even an Hybrid can do that, you need the power of a god.

Lets play a game, how many hybrids you need to conquer Azeroth? I say 10, and thats is being generous.

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Not to mention that letting the Old Gods into the Khala…?

Yeah good idea it’s not like the Old Gods have a history of corrupting people’s minds.

That won’t backfire at all

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i say a thousand. remember that the old gods side with us here. as well as the fact that all heroes of azeroth ( millions ) can all resurrect via spirit healers , AND the fact that we have a superweapon called the forge of origination, which can destroy the spear of adun at LEAST. and we have the guardian, who can also kill several. and ragnaros can tap into the solar core the moment he steps on the ship, because of plain LOGIC -_- . and fun fact, the old gods are more powerful than your pathetic hybrid. that is all excluding the alliance , the horde, the aspects, and mage armies. good luck !

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Ah, fair enough. They would not have access to the Khala at this point, thought they still would be telepathically connected and able to draw on nearby Protoss’ psionic power anyway. They’d just be functioning at reduced range.

It really doesn’t matter if you can read someone’s mind if you’re not fast enough to react in time, and I highly doubt Cho’Gall would be able to dodge or block something moving at the speed of a lightning bolt.

As for Vorazun, Cho’Gall’d never be able to catch her. Again, the speed difference from the lightning fast Blinks would just be too much, not to mention the fact that Vorazun is actually able to blind and stun detectors from range and conceal her presence so thoroughly even powerful telepaths like other Protoss or high-level Ghosts would be unable to sense her presence.

You know why Jedi from Star Wars can be overwhelmed by blasterfire even though their precognitive abilities allow them to predict the bolts’ paths? It’s because they cannot physically move faster enough to deflect every single shot.
Cho’Gall would suffer the same fate. It doesn’t matter how far ahead of your opponent you can see opponent if you aren’t fast enough to head them off anyway. Reading minds or seeing the future is only useful if you can put that new knowledge to use.

Hmm, that’s a good point. Depending on whether he could draw power from it, he could actually be a serious threat to the Spear if he reached the Solar Core.

No one said anything about the Old Gods directly interfering so far. Hell, they’re hard pressed to even directly interfere on Azeroth itself as it is, so I think the Protoss would be pretty safe unless we merged the SC Void with the WoW Void, which would be rather silly considering their different characteristics.

So at this point, we’re pitting literally every army in the history of Azeroth, along with a super weapon that is meant to wipe Azeroth clean of life, against a single warship that can literally do what the Forge of Origination is supposed to do but from several million miles away.

Hey, what’s the maximum range on those portals those cultists or the Burning Legion use, and how much time do they take to set up? If they could even reach the Spear of Adun, how likely is it they could do so in the literal seconds they’d have before their planet is reduced back to a ball of molten rock, with Ragnaros being the only “living” thing left on the planet?

Literally the only way the Azerothian forces win that fight is if the WoW universe’s divine beings, like the Old Gods and the Titans, directly intervene on behalf of their minions Azeroth. So we’d literally be pulling a deus ex machina to give Azeroth anything resembling a chance
And you know what? At that point why don’t we just do the same for the SC universe and just dump the entire Zerg Swarm on Azeroth and through every portal through to the Void, along with the couple thousand Hybrid and dozens or hundreds of Void Thrashers Amon deployed during the End War. Keep in mind that those Hybrids are immune to mental effects like the Old Gods’ madness and mind control, and in groups are capable of pretty much permanently incapacitating entire armies and cities.
If we’re gonna go all out, we might as well go :8ball::8ball:-to-the-wall all out.

Man, I’d love to see a game where we can pit the forces of Azeroth, Starcraft, and Diablo against each other. That’d be awesome.

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Pft, my guild killed him with a bunch of pointy sticks on heroic. I think the Protoss can handle him.

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that would be hella fun to see xD i’d love to see overwatch in the corner like WHATDAHECC

and i was talking about the thousand hybrid… the spear requires less work tbh xD

also… the range of portals is infinite. unlimited… and it dosen’t require time either… i’d say a max of 5 mins for the dark portal. getting it to maintain requires time too, but 5 mins max and the portal is online. hecc we portaled a whole planet across the other side of the universe beside ours so portals aint a problem chief. the only way it would take more is that if youre making a portal for a titan. otherwise its not that hard. remember also we have people who can see the future… like medivh and the bronze dragons… so it can be very easily prepared ahead of time

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Eh, I’d say a couple dozen to be safe. They aren’t invincible, so I think the most powerful Azerothian warriors in history at their heights, such as the Dragon Aspects, Lich King Arthas, or Medivh would be able to stand up to even a couple of them at once, but if they’re squaring off against any more than about 5 they’d stand no chance.

The rest of Azeroth’s forces would indeed be largely irrelevant, though. The Hybrids could just stun them all and crush their minds, eezy-peezy.

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You’ll have literally seconds to open and get through that portal, less if the Spear actually drops in in orbit around Azeroth. No way 5 minutes would cut it, and even if the portal was already up, no more than a couple people are gonna manage to bum-rush it through that portal before the fury of a solar flare liquefies the crust of the planet.

Better stack all your hero units at the front of that line.

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OI what about the old gods they aint divinities we are fighting one right this instant XD if u wanna take the planet, you take it from the old gods too… so theyre on our side here … also you forgot azhara , lei’shen, the elemental lords, the titan keepers, the giants, etc, etc,etc…

if there would be a solar flare coming, we’d know it beforehand :slight_smile: i’d say the entire work of every single magic user known in the existance of WoW including the super arctifats and the players working ahead by an infinite amount of preperation ( the time traveler dragons know the things that will happen in a thousand years ) would nullify it. then, we counter by our OWN extinction event and you have yourself a thousand protoss scallops at your service. and i can tell u that a week is enough to prepare

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A hybrid in lore is immune to most terran weaponery and can put an army of terran forces to shake just by existing due his inmense psionic power. A old god is like a cerebrate but worse since they depent of the planet to survive, the whole point of the old gods is that you can’t kill them or you kill Azeroth. Hybrids want to destroy all life in the universe, they don’t care about the planet. Also titans are not that powerful since the army of the lich king can beat Lei-shen who has the power of a titan.

You know what is hotter than fire? Its called plasma. It would be nice to see the element of fire feeling a burn for first time. Also if you kill the old gods, you kill azeroth and the elements. Imagine think fire and lava are at the level of plasma weapons. Science is greath, you should read more about how the world works.

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" 72- junkrat: powerful explosions, but pretty stupid."
When you boil anything down to that degree…yikes.

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Old Gods

Not divine

Nani!?

Pretty sure they wouldn’t be able to survive the planet’s surface being completely melted.

So, again, still small fry.

It’s not an actual solar flare, just the energy output equal to or greater than that of a solar flare. You wouldn’t have a couple hours to prepare, you’d have seconds or less.

Literally no chance. This amount of energy would plasmify the entire atmosphere, and even if you block all the plasma and laser beams and blasts directly, the thermal radiation that would release alone would glass everything on the surface of the planet and the shockwave produced by the air literally exploding would generate a lethal overpressure wave that would pulp organs, pulverize bone, and even shatter steel even meters below the surface.
And that’s literally the best case scenario for Azeroth. I highly doubt even everyone on Azeroth working together would actually be able to block the full fury of a star focused upon their planet.

Last I checked, the Forge of Origination isn’t just a super weapon, it’s a super weapon meant to be used on Azeroth. You can’t just turn it and point it into space, it’s literally designed to purge Azeroth of life. If you flip that switch trying to target the Spear, you’d literally just kill yourself and everyone on Azeroth on the Spear’s behalf. That’s some “You can’t kill me if I kill me first!” crap.

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While I do think StarCraft Universe is more powerful than WarCraft Universe, I wanna point out this thread is individual power levels :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:.

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Strongest lists are kind of silly anyways. One thing you can’t calculate is the ability to choose your fights. If you lose 3/4 direct confrontations, but have the ability to choose the 1/4 you win, are you weaker than someone who can’t chose their fights?

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well a divinity is something that exeeds the power of anything comprehensible, and we are fighting them ATM, soooo ehhhh…

you literally just skipped the " time travel " part where i literally mentioned that we’d know an INFINITE amount of time befiorehand, and its very easy to just create the shield far above the planet so nothing hits.
also…there is another way of destorying the ship and we dont even have to use the forge ( even tho directing its power to the ship is WAY easier than making the planet shield )

  1. teleport as much cannon fodder as possible to the ship
  2. get a powerful mage, the scepter of sargeras, the book of medivh, and the eye of dalaran. ( jaina can do )
  3. re-cast the spell that exploded a planet and flung half of it to another dimension, the spell of conjuration. while it does need a celestial event to happen, it says the event only gave him some power. we can still cast a portion of it and your ship is DEAD.

other things to add :

  1. the lich king has VERY close to direct control of souls, almost as much as malthael himself. and during the battle with him he was playing with us until he just killed us all with a snap. he was not weakened much at all during the assault. so it is VERY plausible to say he can literally go to your ship’o’sadness and yeet anyone coming too close to their death.

gishki
about the " rag can burn from plasma " thing…well it works, if youre anything BUT an elemental lord. if you get a creature thats 100x the fire of ragnaros, they’d probs still die. but being an elemental lor yourself, means that this actually benefits him, cause he is DIRECTLY LINKED to fire itself. it can be proven because when we fight ragnaros on azeroth, he is much weaker than when he is closest to his seat of power AKA the firey-est place on azeroth or the elemental planes. meaning, that you can place him in front of the blast, and he can take it, because it becomes his new seat of power, if u get what i mean … nice try again… and yes i know how the world works :3 im young but i aint stupid, now you read about the very well known difference between an elemental LORD, and a standard elemental… its greath :smiley:

also guys, im actually very convinced that the starcraft universe is WAY more powerful than i assumed, and to be honest even though i played the campaign, im very astounded. but that is NO reason to also trash azeroth either…as i said, a single titan can grab all three races and eat them as lunch XD… seriously though, don’t think that because we use swords and armor, that we are absolutely stomped on. if anything, its actually plausible that we can win against every race alone.

1: terran.
here is how i theorize it will go:

terrans would be able to kill the low lvl nubs because their armor is cloth XD and would cause severe disturbance accross several areas … but there are weaknesses in their ranks. the elemental lords, i will say, will play the MVP against the terrans. firebats will essentially be exploded by will from the fire elementals, so they are discarded. tanks would be lethal yes, but powerful shamans can summon rock spikes or trap them even. and the biggest factor of them all: the wind and storm element… because of the fact that we have essentially millions of shaman players, and the fact that we have the windlords and titan keepers, who can also use wind powers, they would very likely destroy most aircrafts and would even strike lightning on the odins and the un-destoryed siege tanks. the only sky force that would resist these the most will be the sky cities that fire yamato cannons that i forgot the name of XD . but i’d say a very focused attack on them can be very efficient too. i do not think lightning has no effect on machines, mainly cause why the hell would they design something that blocks lightning. the troops most effective would be the pew pew fodder ( also forgot their name omg XD ) , and maurderers. but thats very minuscile compared to the bajillion other things we have.

  1. protoss:

a bigger challenge indeed!

the protoss will strike fast and acurrate, killing most unsuspecting players. and would easily corner the forces of azeroth. HOWEVER! there is actually a very easy and logical solution… the protoss numbered a muntiple thousand agt the end of LOTV, and since there were only like 5 years max that passed, you can very assurredly say that the number didnt change much. sure they fought amon then and they had numbers, but if you look closer, you can literally count a max of 500 in the whole " into the void " thing… so yes, its very plausible.

we would have the advantage of at LEAST 1000-1 here… A THOUSAND to one. meaning that, a single zelot, while so SO very storng, cannot kill a thousand. the golden armada will be troubleing however, while it is huge and powerful, we have a secret weapon other than the dragons , or the dranei spaceships, the hives of the old gods! the old gods are practically minature zerg swarms, and would be able to destory even a carrier if they swarm it enough. not to mention that if we group a thousand wizards together, we can probs make out of each a giant ball of magic which will target your ships. and deathwing and dragons to strike the smaller ships, when the old god minions swarm the long range, hard hitters. and we can use the previous strategies to destroy the spear of adun.

i wanna write a zerg one but my hands hurt from writing LOL i wanna play the actual game anyone wanna join?

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Orphea is strongest. Because you know she has the tentacles which has something to do with the oldgods. And oldgods are powerful enough to manipulate the titans themselves.

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I didn’t. I said that even if you had a chance to set up that barrier, it wouldn’t matter because it wouldn’t save you.

Two things.

  1. I think you’re vastly overestimating the power of Azeroth’s magic. A feat like this would dwarf literally anything and everything ever attempted on Azeroth. Think anyone could have blocked Sargeras’ sword? The Spear’s assault would make that look no larger than a hand grenade next to a nuke.

  2. As I said, even if you could block the blasts and beams themselves, it still wouldn’t save the surface of the planet from being flash-fried by the thermal radiation. We basically just moved a portion of the sun into Azeroth’s upper atmosphere. Have fun roasting.

Hope you’re okay with fighting in 0 atmos. I imagine that will make things a little difficult for anyone who needs to breathe to cast spells or, y’know, live. And last I checked Ner’zhul needed to do both of those.

But let’s give them a chance and pretend the Protoss can’t just cheese this fight too.
Azeroth’s forces still need to deal with a warrior race that literally lives for combat and all of their supporting tech and fleets. Anything that counts as cannon fodder by Azerothian standards wouldn’t even be chaff against a Protoss army, you’d literally be throwing their lives away for nothing. They wouldn’t even slow the Protoss down.

The only chance you have would be to put all of your heavy hitters up front-and-center and hope they could hold off long enough for your little suicide nuke to go off. Which, against the firepower still arrayed against them, would still be pretty much hopeless.

Then, if by some miracle you actually got your nuke off, the best you’d have been able to do was tie this little hypothetical engagement. Azeroth would still be a glass world at best, much more likely a molten ball.

Azeroth literally cannot win without the direct intervention of their gods, and it would take nothing short of a miracle to force a loss on the Spear of Adun.

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A lot of this doesn’t make any sense. I only know Warcraft lore, but some of the reasons you give are incredibly subjective. Like they are “tough, stupid, weak, etc.” Also why aren’t you using everyone’s final form? For example, Tyrande is an ancient powerful night elf that would rek most of the other Warcraft dudes on the list above her. And all you put is “she owned a magical tiger and has excellent marksmanship and several powers from elune.”

And of course I have to mention Sylvanas because I AM SYLVANAS. You really think Kael’thas would stand a chance against her? I really don’t get why you wouldn’t rank her by her current power, because she is busted strong right now. It is insulting that Orphea, a made up HotS hero with next to no lore at all is above her. (Also Sylvanas and Uther are both ranked at number 31, pretty sure that’s a typo.)

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Would’ve saved us a bunch of trouble if we brought our scouters…