Same thing it says about the dozen or so others who used to spam threads like this – they don’t know how to play against the hero, and they aren’t interested in learning.
In short, they’re bad, and they’re lazy.
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Why so much hanzo hate? Its basically all that defines your character at this point.
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Simple: Because i really like the character and am butthurt that he sucks so bad. I’ve put 150+ Matches in, with many different styles of play attempted, back & fourth with various talent builds, etc. Gawd he just sucks so much. His moves are all tough to land, don’t do jack for DMG when they do hit, you sneeze on him he dies, etc.
Did i mention low health? When against a Hanzo you don’t even have to aim. Just spray & pray. 1-2 lucky hits is all it takes and he’s DOWN. Even if you don’t kill him, no player would be stupid enough to stick around. So he’ll be hearthing back and out of the equation for a while either way.
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Or maybe just accept you’re not good enough? Just check out lucifer’s link:
I dunno what to tell you. Hanzo is good but not everyone can play him. Hes the kinda hero who will feel weak until reach a certain level of personal skill.
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The problem here is that you’re assuming the Hanzo player is improving but his opponents aren’t.
It takes skill to play Hanzo well, yes, but it takes less skill than that to play against Hanzo well.
There’s a reason Hanzo doesn’t break a 50% winrate even in Diamond and Masters, so unless you’re going to say they all suck too, Hanzo himself is the weak link.
If Hanzo were balanced but Landmine were still complaining, then we’d have a “git gud/L2P” situation. But Hanzo is not balanced, so Landmine’s complaints about Hanzo here are valid.
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So what’s your idea? Does he needs nerfs? Does he needs buffs? Complete rework?
There are some hard to play heroes that struggles to be good in hand of the majority of players, not only Hanzo.
Are KTZ, Medivh, Alarak, Hanzo or Ana all bad heroes, because the majority can’t play them?
Landmine is an QM Azmodan player, so of course he will say that Hanzo is TRASH, because Hanzo is bad in a mode like QM, because it’s rather chaotic than coordinated.
He works just fine for me.
https://gyazo.com/8604a8f4170ded543a426768dd2cdd2c
Lots of difficult heroes see play at high levels tho and its not like hanzo has any overwhelming counter play. Back when he was regularly picked in high level and pro play it was because of how safe he was.
It’s difficult being the wearer of the mantle of the most handsome male hero in the Blizzard universe, haters are gonna hate.
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Buffs at minimum. Though I’m sure that will reignite a lot of the old complaint threads from back when he was actually viable.
Personally, I’d like to see him get a small rework, something like this:
Keep in mind this concept is over a year old, so my opinions may have changed on some of the particulars in there, but the general concept holds.
Not relevant to my point.
Being hard to play does not make a hero bad. Alarak is balanced but hard to play. KTZ is balanced but hard to play.
Being bad does not depend on how hard the hero is to play. Hanzo is bad. Genji is bad. Li Li is bad. (All as of 2.53.3 and 2.54.0)
These heroes are bad regardless of how difficult they are.
The stats for Storm League agree that Hanzo is bad, though, so he’s still right.
Congratulations, and I mean that genuinely.
However, this game is not balanced around you alone, just like it isn’t balanced around me alone or any other single player.
DrLogan had a 60%+ winrate with Tassadar pre-rework. That does not mean Tassadar was balanced despite his 40% overall winrate.
Anyone who puts the time and effort into mastering a given hero can make any hero look broken. That does not mean that hero is actually broken, nor even necessarily balanced.
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I quite like that mini rework.
Anyway, I’ll admit to you that hanzo is not the best ranged assassin. With him, you gotta put in work to reach the level of “goodness” that others like cassia or tass are. Its not like you put in the work and you become valla from last patch. Which isn’t totally fair. I think high skill heroes should be a bit better then the low skill ones, not just meet their par.
If he gets buffs, then I wont complain but I don’t think theres any hero in the game that is so bad they are unplayable. Even genji has his moments.
Edit: not the best ranged assassin
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Hanzo is not trash or anything. He’s an extremely strong Hero, but prob not in QM and you need a ton of skill to make him go(o)d.
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He also needs a team that can work with him. If his tank isn’t making space, he isn’t as effective. If he does get hit, he needs a healer to support him. Other than his heroic, or if he takes Dragonstrike, he needs his team to provide CC for his follow up. This may be one reason his win rate doesn’t reflect his strength, similar to Medivh.
You almost never see this in QM, or at lower MMRs, so he will look worse off than his kit would suggest. If you queue with others in QM who can provide the front line, CC, and healing, or if you play him in SL and your team drafts properly, he can put up some staggering numbers. I do agree it is much easier to do well on Cassia or Valla, simply because they aren’t as reliant on the rest of their team to perform.
I queued into a QM last night with two friends, one on Mal’ganis and one on Stukov, and we had a fantastic random Hanzo. Top hero damage, top kills, zero deaths. I can see why the OP would find him oppressive (although certainly not with Q build), as when they are set up to succeed, they can be a beast. That said, because of his team dependence, and how hard that type of coordination is to find outside the highest level of play, I really don’t think he needs nerfs.
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That’s the “not in QM” part, yes 
Sure, but great Hanzo players are like an Urban Legend. Some say they exist but, no one’s really sure.
^^ Case in point. If those stats are to be believed, 169 matches and only a 54.4% winrate? Pretty sad.
You might as well stick with easy heroes that require little mechanics like Azmodan and Sgt. Hammer. Hanzo is clearly not for you.
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Go to 2:55 and watch Hanzo delete Imp with Scatter Arrow. 4.4k dmg in one sec.
Alright, what makes you the leading authority on how bad hanzo is? 150~ isnt far off from 169. I’m not sure you’re got the experience to make that call. There are hanzos with more then both of us combined.
Unfortunately not, as i really like the character and really WANTED to make him work but…trash is trash.
Playing Hanzo actually made me appreciate Hammer & Azmo all the more. Players often grossly OVERESTIMATE Azmo’s health. When in reality, he can get melted as fast as most. But holy crap, he’s NOT Hanzo! For that i am thankful.
Hanzo, AKA: Mr. “I-Die-in-one-hit”.
Edit: Also i think it’s cute you feel the need to defend a character you know nothing about.
First off, yet again with this urban legend of these “Great Hanzos” out there…SOMEWHERE…
Secondly, you’ve barely played him more than i have. You’ve no experience to legitimately defend anything i’m saying and, in fact, have never been able to refute any of my points on the issue.
Yes and also:
Mr. I-kill-tanks-in-one-sec:
I couldn’t do it, but I play AA-Hanzo (not W) and his autoattack hits like a truck. But I am just a Hanzo Noob with my 40%+ winrate though.