You’ll have to tutor me on Hogger.
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I hate QM
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The melees die the most, makes sense if they were passing KT’s bombs.
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It was not about melee, it was about them fighting outnumbered in half of situations.
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When you can’t even stand in middle of your team in aram but dare to school everyone else.
Saying that Blink is a cool spell is supposedly very toxic.
I’m now in a Probius mirror. I have no idea what is going on because it has the visual clarity of an Overwatch match. It is like 10 gypsies wrestling in mud over a knife but you can’t be sure what is happening or who is winning before all of them are dead and you wash their corpses.
Just moments ago I was making fun of a guy on reddit. We are are only at 20min.
https://old.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/19e5qdd/pain_more_than_1_hour_aram/
A GriM Picture:
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a grim picture indeed
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I had won my last 5 matches in a row so I knew I’d be bound to lose this match, and I did.
This is quick match. As soon as the gates open our Garrosh goes “Hold on. I need to google what talents to take as Garrosh.” He then got mad he was being pinged to come back to the game and thought it was “honorless” to google talents before playing.
Things did not go well as predicted but fortunately the loss was at least under 15 minutes!
I get having to google if you’re in ARAM and you pick someone you have no experience with, but this was qm lol. Do your diligence before committing.
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no no
that still stupid
I’ve looked up every character on google I’ve got a build for all of them
doesn’t mean I’m good at them
but You’re suppose to have foresight
nah I don’t really expect most ppl to do that for all 80-whatever heroes there are. That’s sweatlord behavior. Getting heroes in ARAM is random and sometimes your three options are all heroes you don’t know.
But for QM, you’re choosing your hero and you should know damn well what talents you’re going to be using BEFORE you pick. If you don’t know, play AI.
don’t dumb them with me
I hope the little taunt happy Illidan I faced enjoys living in QM, because he knows he’d be nothing more than fecal waste smeared on the ground every match he plays in Storm League.
And the silver lining of this game being abandoned means that Blizzard will never buff Illidan again.
I think most people eventually come to the realization that something, or everything, they’re doing is wrong. After all of the denial, or excuses like “its my teammates, its the comp, its because I’m against a 5 man, its because I’m going against smurfs” eventually you realize that its you.
I’m at that point. I just don’t know what I’m doing wrong or what I can do better. I don’t even know how much of the fault is mine or other factors. I’m just assuming I’m everything wrong with my losses and I honestly don’t know what to do. It sucks.
Elaborate my good fellow
I may not be able to help but I’m sure some one can
I honestly don’t know how to elaborate on it but I’ll try. It might be long so I can really explain myself here I hope that’s okay.
I usually try to flex into whatever role my team needs but I’ll pick early sometimes too it just depends on the draft.
If I’m tanking then I usually try to avoid getting camps or soaking since that shouldn’t be my job and I don’t see the point in sitting in lane while my team does other things. I try to leave it to the off laner or someone with wave clear. I do try my best to peel for my allies but also try to lock down enemies so that my team can kill them. Sometimes I feel like no matter what I do I can’t peel properly or set anything up because I’m getting stunned or displaced. When that happens I’ve tried to disengage so that we can reset and sometimes I stay and try to do something with what abilities I have off CD. I wouldn’t be able to tell you which I find more successful because when we stay, lots of times most of us die, and when I retreat, someone else stays and dies or I die trying to save them. Its hard to find out exactly what I could do better in those situations because situations change so fast and often. I mostly play Garrosh now actually and I’ve gotten pretty good at the throw stun combo and decent at saving my allies but I just find myself trapped a lot. I sometimes play taunt Varian too.
When I play damage, I don’t mind laning but if I’m gank susceptible I try not to overextend so I just clear the minions safely and collect the xp. If I’m team fighting more, I’ll try to do damage to whoever I can reach. Lots of times I have people say “get this hero” but like realistically how am I supposed to deal damage to the Morales or whatever when they’re positioning well? I try, but most of the times when I do that things don’t end well. If I have a good dive comp like Diablo, Khara, and GM then sure I’ll dive with everyone and try to get the squishies. But if I’m playing Valla or someone more squishy I hesitate to dive in because they could always counter dive me. Its hard knowing when its safe to be ballsy and dive in and when to just poke. If I’m just AAing the frontline however, I get told crap like I’m useless. Its difficult for me to somehow attack the backline when I got a Garrosh protecting his team. So I don’t know what to do differently there. Sometimes when we all just go in we risk dying or getting wiped and that’s good for no one. The other side of the coin is I try to play safe but never do anything useful with my damage. I like to play Valla, Sylvanas, Fenix, Naz, Orphea, and Zuljin and those are ones I think I have the most consistent success with.
When I play healer I try to stick with the tank since most of the time the tank initiates fights. I also avoid soaking because there are others who do it better so why make me do it and not be able to heal my team? I don’t see a point. I used to soak if a lane was empty but that just ends up with my team dead and then I get ping spammed lol so I stopped doing that completely and will let a lane get pushed and just follow the team. In my mind if my team doesn’t want to clear it, me clearing it and letting them die isn’t any better and I’m losing something anyway. I mostly play Anduin so I just look for opportunities to use my D on allies and peel by using the stun R or the E to root. Other than that I try to AA enemies and W them. I also like Khara a lot but I like playing him with dive comps since he’s easy to jump in and heal the other divers. I used to like Tyrande but I can’t ever hit E without some form of other CC first so I’d just focus on marking enemies and AAing to lower my Q CD and stunning where I can. I just find myself not healing allies well enough to save them. I focus on healing lower health heroes who are risking death either by being targeted or out of position but I feel like sometimes they’re dead no matter what I do.
When I play bruisers its mainly Varian (any variation), Thrall, Malthael and rarely, Chen. Its my understanding that they’re usually the solo laners which I try to do. I’ll duel with the enemy laner but I’m mainly concerned with soaking the xp and double soaking if needed. I rotate most of the time but I find it hard to rotate at times if they put consistent pressure on me and the lane I’m in. I don’t know whether or not to risk losing a fort or buildings to attempt to go 5v4 against the enemy and get kills. I struggle the most with knowing what to do as a solo laner. Do I just hold the lane? Rotate and risk losing a lane? Idk. I’ll show up for objectives though because winning an objective has a lot of potential to get a lot of map value.
I rarely play melee assassins unless its Murky or Illidan as a solo laner and honestly I don’t even think I understand those heroes enough to be able to receive advice that will actually help because I feel like I don’t know what their job is or how to do it properly. Like I said I rarely play those heroes anyway. I also don’t play support heroes. I suck with all of them.
So like, I don’t know if my issues stem from the heroes I choose with what my team picks, how I play said heroes, what decisions I make in game, or if its just lack of mechanical skill. I know I’m only responsible for about 20% of my team’s success but I feel like I’m 90% responsible for the team’s failures and I don’t know what to work on or change.
I hope that was good enough elaboration.
well I can certainly tell you my opinion on aspects of your thoughts
hopfully they’re useful
people often forget that some times that’s exactly what players need because if they’re focusing on a bulky hero that’s designed to take exactly that. what do they have to prevent the pokey little gremlins from poking you in a gremlin like fashion if the anti-gremlin moves are on cool down.
and whilst that looks bad on your part its the best course of action for the team sometimes.
I thought I was doing a terrible job at diablo in this particularly pokey composition, however they all worried about me walling them, in hind sight I could never pull those wall combos because of it and they adapted to counter just that. so by me face tanking the stuff people would say “Do not face tank” I let my allies annihilate the poor unsuspecting fools.
while this is situational you always must consider “what if I didn’t” and often than not this would lead to ally deaths that you could have prevented. sometimes there are just situations you do that cant be winned as a tank, and it’s your job in that situation to lets the others change that loss into an average so-so situation.
you did the best of your abilities and as long as you have that mindset you can always improve and still say “yes at this point sure it would have worked” even if it didn’t
never for a moment blame yourself in this situation, it is their fault for not paying attention that the tank, THE REASON YOU CAN ENGAGE, is retreating for a good cause.
as a healer I hate people who do this
as a tank my temper flares far too much than it regularly does
in my experience it’s all about how the ranged heroes hold themselves in a fight. Often than not I would most likely ping this sorta message if I know if the ranged allies could cover the heavy duty damage dealer, regardless of range or type of damage. the main situation that causes problems is “which hero can disrupt them the most?” and unfortunately nobody bloody knows, as such such we get to the point of “well that is MEEEE” because we are but humans which leads to the next part
in this case you really need to take a big gamble
now in the short term, “in this match” and you fail you know that you are not the, as I would name, the “heavy damage dealer”, and if it didn’t work out it would be your job to adjust, “get off your high horse and join the rest of us scumbags”, and subsequently let the heavy damage dealer do their job by you making the enemy team do just the thing you were initially scared of
but better
and again sometime this is what the team needs.
Whitemane needs to deal damage to heal. best source of that? a heavy duty tank that thinks it’s all that and a bag of chips when really… they’re really not.
how does this relate to dps and tank? well its kinda your job to get the tank to realize “oh damn I cant just walk in there and be immortal”. by making the tank feel scared the “heavy” dps can very much easily get at the target.
but what would you do if you are said ““heavy” dps” well in my experience be aggressive. be Unforgivably aggressive. because the minute that people click in the team it just falls into place.
naturally a level of smartness is required. consider yourself the tactician in this situation. you make the shouts and the healer/tank (whichever is more useful) is your advisor. the advisor says kill this bumhole it is then your task to see how you can a) kill them or b) minimize the threat of them.
obviously there are draw back that are pretty obvious but after a while you can at least remove yourself from the questions.
for example I will always be a “support” li-ming I do not have the patience or skill to be the heavy dps as such I will always build her to be a follow up/support dps. and in a sense my job is to prevent the heavy dps be dived. I admit I’m not very good at it in this situation ,cus li-ming and me aren’t friends.
now you put me on a Orphea and theirs plenty of opportunities to Q and I become the most vicious demon you doth ever see to the point that players are willing to suicide just to get rid of me (too late of course at that point I did my job)
based on what I read I feel like you’re a very reaction based healer. you dont do X cus of Y. and yes it can be good you but sometimes need to be the one that gives the little push. make youre self just a weeeeee bit more vulnerable than you should (they don’t know you can casually walk out of there). coax the the dps thinking you are an easy target even though it’s abundantly clear you are one of the hardest.
hence the reason whitemane is my main boo. you be like “look at my thighs you want my thighs? come get pussy” and they do exactly that. but they don’t know the POWER of the lash (AKA usually enough to get them retreat or for the allies to be like “OI THOSE ARE MY THIGHS!” and intervene)
brusiers are so bloody vaired idk where to begin so… I’m just… not going to…
think of them as either the heac damage dealer or as the sidekick of the heacy damage dealer.
they be your BFF’s
again this is all my situation but I hope this at least simulated humor if not helpfulness
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why is it that every tank in QM wants to do literally anything but tank? They solo lanes during obj, they solo camps during obj, they’re no where to be found during team fights, they don’t peel, and if they do show up they constantly dip behind back line.
I’m honestly tired of seeing them in QM and wish we could just have tankless games now because the ones I’m queueing with are almost always a waste of a player slot.
I appreciate your post. It actually makes me feel better about myself and my own play. I’m going to put some of that information to the test and see if it makes a difference for me. I honestly don’t really know how to put most of what you said in practice but I think the biggest thing you said was for me to be more active on whatever it is my team needs me to do, instead of waiting for the enemy team to act first. Does that make sense?
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to a degree
keep that mindset for healers and tanks
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My advice, don’t solo SL with Garrosh. If you pick Garrosh early , your teammates might go something like Gul/Dan + Raynor. Basically you’ll have no burst and the enemies you throw won’t die.
And because Garrosh is mostly about teamfighting and ganks. When someone on your team isn’t doing something, you can’t make up for it because you can’t wave clear , take camps etc. And your peel is suboptimal, so Garrosh is bad at playing with bad players.
I only pick him when I know what my team’s up to. (And even then ,they sometimes change their picks and we end up with only poke dmg.)
If you soak a wave early while one of your teammates die, it’s still a gain for you since that wave is worth more than their life. You can go back to them after.
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