Healing > dying > using maw.
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Outside of combo burst DPS maw is likely to even lower burst DPS and especially sustain DPS. Nydus allows Zagara to spam her abilities, her main source of damage, with little concern for the silly lack of healing/mana regen in ARAM. Nydus is pretty much the only reason Zagara is a high tier ARAM hero because without it her mana sustain would be too bad to justify such a position.
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Zagara is a high tier aram hero because she has range/minions/waveclear(banelings)/and her ult can nullify other ults.
Unless you are telling me in order to be viable she has to take an ult to get a mana trait that other heroes can get without wasting an ult slot?
Imo, maw is awful unless youâre on a coordinated team. Most of the time, Zagara saves enemies from a guaranteed kill.
Honestly, I canât recall a time where I was happy zagara used maw. At best, maw was casted in a place that resulted in a temporary stalemate, such as in a corridor, but at worst, it saved the enemy.
Honestly, I would prefer them to just not have it because most use it so bad. The extremes of benefit vs extremes of loss coupled with frequency of benefit vs frequency of loss outcomes just have me rooting for blizz to ban maw, if zag ults needed banning.
Essentially, itâs like diablo charging heroes out of skill shot except thatâs someoneâs ult. One of the more useless ults if youâre on an uncoordinated team but pretty good on a coordinated team. The dichotomy is palpable, imo.
Coordinated team:
Maw happens and the ults are targeted at that location for a full enemy team wipe.
Uncoordinated team:
Ults are coordinated at enemy location and before the combo can climax⌠maw. Enemy team safe.
I see the latter more often and Iâd prefer to never see it over nydus.
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And there you have it folks. Its a skill issue. The easy way with less damaging skills is nydus.
And there you have it folks. Itâs a skill issue. Easy way to hurr durr for more dmg without examining utility.
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just spam your abilities then, at least you have a hole you can run to when you constantly lower your effective cooldowns by 0%.
Healer must be really hurting when zag is on the team, other teams couldnât possibly manage without zag taking a nydus worm every time she runs out of mana.
The ult is so bad in aram itâs not even funny. Itâs clearly meant for a global presence in standard/hero league modes.
There are just scenarios where one or the other ult is the better choice obviously. There is no such thing as a selfish ult. Everything that makes you stronger also helps the team. It is all about where you get the most impact out of it. You may consider if there is a good potential for big combos or if you rather need the extra regen plus the other advabtages nydus provides.
You cannot say that one ult is always better, if so, you just lack basic knowledge I am afraid.
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Exactly the reason you think nydus is bad, itâs your skill issue. And itâs fine, if youâre bad at it, you can always improve instead of asking it to be removed so other players donât shine with it against you.
We all know the value of both ults.
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Then pick maw and donât pick nydus. Whatâs the problem?
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âOthers picking Nydus and ruining my match, we obviously lose because Zag cannot create an anti-bunker for the enemiesâ
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Nydus means more minions. A lot more minions. And endless banelings.
Without Nydus her minions are mana limited and she barely has enough mana left to spam banelings. In regular matches this is not an issue as she can teleport to the hall of storms to regenerate her mana between team fights, but in ARAM there is no such mana regeneration so she is extremely prone to ending up mana starved, especially once all fountains fall. Mana starved Zagara is not high tier, as a lot of her DPS is gone. The nail in the coffin? Maw itself needs a lot of mana to cast, something Zagara already is lacking due to not taking Nydus.
Actually it helps the healer since if they see Zagara low on mana they can focus their healing, which is often mana limited for most healers, on another hero further increasing the value of Nydus.
The only time Maw would give significant value to justify its choice in ARAM is if you in a team that can combo into and out of it for secure kills. Zagara doing 1/2 or less of her sustained damage does not matter when the enemy team is constantly dead, although even that has less value in ARAM due to fast revive timers. However, this is ARAM so as good as no match making and random heroes, so chances of ever getting such a team comp skilled enough to execute that combo outside of a party is as good as impossible.
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There is nothing to be bad at, you place your creep and get a passive buff that is garbage, and place a glorified murky egg that you can regen health in, where there is usually a dedicated healer.
Oh snap, I found another reason to use it. Where there is no healer in the game. Even then she still has a sustain hydra. The double edge sword presents itself though. Its a reason not to pick a healer for selfish gameplay. Zag can heal herself and not heal teamates.
Tough mechanics for sure.
Even if you lower your cooldown to 8 seconds from 12 with the roaches, you still end up spending the same amount of time just trying to get the cooldown reduction. Remember .4 seconds per attack 5 seconds attacking = 1.6 seconds of cooldown, you save 1 and a half seconds. You get no extra damage ability for a clutch situation.
When I play DPS on zag I want an extra damage ability. I want a potential clutch save for my teamates. I want to take someone out of a fight for 4 seconds to burst another target down in 2-3 with my team. Its a skill cocoon.
Nydus in aram is trash. Remove it please. The evidence is clear.
you arguing circles isnât evidence.
So far the best youâve offered is deflection and have little counter to her mana management aside from âother heroes donât need a heroic for thatâ
Fancy that, different heroes have different abilities, different roles, different power spikes. A poorly done bit of math doesnât offset that constant summons will do more âdpsâ and push harder than a clunky heroic suited for big fights, and not constant skirmishes.
The âevidenceâ is that youâre arguing double-standards.
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Im arguing against the hive mind.
Sounds more like youâre arguing against yourself.
Disregarding divergent opinions that give reasons apart from your own isnât a âhive mindâ. Banal disregard isnwhat makes your conduct seem like someone else is doing the thinking.
âoh zag only saves 1.6 sec cooldown every 5 secondsâ
Yea, and that applies to mulitple abilities on a hero that has long cooldown that can almost be mindless cast because theyâre summons.
Go load up a trial map and see how long it takes nydus zag to win the single lane compares to maw.
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It applies to 1 ability, hydra. Its moot on banelings and roaches.
Always funny when for a change of pace, the majority is the smart one, and not the usual dunningkruger victims, and then comes the âbrilliantâ minority shouting âhivemindâ⌠xD
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Care to show those evidence or is this something you are just making up based on feelings ? When you make claims like this then the burden of proof is on you. Calling everyone who disagree for ââHivemindsââ is not how you win a debate.
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I wouldnât want this to really happen, but Iâve always wished allies would be able to hop into Zagâs Nydus network! Naturally, that would be all sorts of bonkers broken, but Iâd like to try it once.
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