Leavers penalty and bracket for MISSING DRAFT are horrible

not only did you already fall asleep or have some emergency pop up while sitting in a at least 45 minute queue… then you also lose 500 rating

you basically get banned into WORST EXPERIENCE OF ALL this bracket is literally hell and is impossible to get out of… the leavers leave and ur stuck here forever… literally a victim of a lottery system praying you get a hero broken enough to carry the game 2v5, 1v4, 1v3 or whatever other screwed up equation it always ends up being

the most insane punishment for literally missing a draft that no one cares if you missed or not… like we all had to wait long enough for the draft as it is… surely there will be another player in line if the q has to rego… like it does anyways… you are just splintering the TINY player base even more and trapping some people in the most toxic game environment i have ever played… i would prefer to be in jail than play one leavers game

The ARAM games are literally a 1v1 or 2v1 with literally the worst AI bots ive seen in any game… people make bots that play world of warcraft more effectively than your max xp ai bots

Some ranks just dont have enough players now so you cant really blame the game for providing a toxic enviroment when the mode you are playing is half dead.

No you wont. You wont have a life to live when you come out unlike if you where stuck in leaver que in Hots.

Atleast you can just move away from the game and still have a life to live and a job.
You wont have that after jail time is over.

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i don’t disagree with leaver penalties … but missing a draft is different than rage leaving a game but its punished the same way which is crazy… no other blizzard game are you punished for missing a q when it pops

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like queenbw said the game itself has very low amounts of players, and the leaver queue even less

not even the companys fault at this point, the game just doesn’t function right with the current amount of players.

its designed around tens to hundreds of thousands of active players. which isn’t happening on a lot of regions right now.

in fact sometimes i cant even find 9 other humans for aram and it gives me a 1v1 with 4 bots on both sides against another player

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the added condition that you have to WIN them is brutal as well and adds to the frustration lol

i played when it didn’t require wins and it was a crapshow because people who were punished for afking, also afked through the leaver games, making it unplayable for everyone

requiring wins basically quarantined those people into leaver que forever

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“Literally”

free from exaggeration or distortion

Every decade, or so, has their 4-syllable vogue word people toss out as an emphatic expression, but ‘literally’ is ‘literally’ inadequate to use for that as you are ‘literally’ not being literal in your literacy. Clearly we can’t trust the veracity of such claims!

Try using:
actually, totally, virtually, officially, practically, seriously absolutely, positively – those used to be paired together, so image the possibilities of other combinations! You could even be a trend-setter by upping your game and increasing the amount of syllables used for your emphasis:

deliberately, unequivocally, indubitably – that one’s a +1 for blizzard reference, thanks Anub’arak :+1:

What you’re trying to convey are comparative statements, but without any provided comparison, the statements lack value and instead people learn to just exaggerate all the more, which is just overcompensation. Overcompensating with excessive emphasize – and effectively unreliable vocabulary – indicates a lack of experience and observation. Such posts don’t convey that something is super bad, but rather that you apparently lack problem-solving skills, imagination, and information.

I have worse experiences than your anecdotes, and I can imagine significantly more ‘insane’ punishments. The concern expressed isn’t about actual ‘hell’, but being placated. Children can cry that something is the ‘worst [insert] ever!’ but a piece of candy, or 5 minutes of CoD – or whatever phone game – turns that around: easy come, easy go. They don’t know any better, so they just try to exaggerate as much as they can because they don’t notice that anyone else knows better either. They then don’t learn to deal with their problems, or how to give them value (too offset unhappy moments) and they just complain more and more and more and more and more.

The objects of complaint here have ‘reasons’ for their implementation, so there’s also consequences for those things being removed:

  • if draft dodging didn’t lead to ranked removal, then people could perpetually leave lobbies and turn 45 minute queues into ad infinitum. (You could wait even longer.)
  • if leaver queues didn’t require wins, then people would leave those too.
  • if leavers were isolated from the rest of the games, then trolls could be more capable of ruining standard play, and not isolated play (which already receives a lot of complaints on that end)
  • if punishments were given out sooner (to isolate leavers) then that also weaponizes troll/bots into reporting people more to get ‘legit’ players banned.

These aren’t just theoretical claims, there are games that lack some of these ‘checks’, and they have “worse” experiences that people describe on these forums. The point of this post isn’t to – completely – disregard your gripes or “defend blizzard” put to point out how people can make things better on their end.

Bad imitation leads to bad habits, so just as using ‘literally’ as am emphatic crutch for poor communication could be offset by expanding ones lexicon, so too can game experiences. 45 ranked lobbies can get faster games with chat/discord lobbies for custom games, or similarly, getting parties offsets the ai filling leaver games.

A mild inconvenience isn’t “literally the worst hell ever,” it just indicates someone turned their brain off and expects anyone else to function for them instead. And, unfortunately, life outside of this game isn’t kind to that sort of conduct, so… that sort of stuff tends to just get worse, and worse and worse if people don’t learn how to learn to learn better :confused:

I agree that there should be a penalty, but not the leavers queue.
It should be either a queue restriction and/or losing ranked points.

When Blizzard developed the leaver queue they didn’t know it will be THIS bad.

I agree. It should be a full account closure plus IP ban and instant ban on all new accounts created for all Blizzard games indefinitely, like how Overwatch does it for hackers.

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no one cares about anything you just wrote man

not only that, but most is also completely untrue

you just wrote an essay that is not only weird as hell but completely made up in your own mind about a bunch of scenarios that have never happened, but you think may happen

or they already do happen, but you are clearly oblivious to reality

you have almost 6000 forum post brother what the hell are you doing

lol

That’s exactly why there’s a penalty. Because after waiting for the game to start, and going through the ban phase, then however long it took until you timed out (likely the last pick) , they have to go back and wait for another game all over again.

Do you realize what happens when you send leavers into games they don’t need to win? You yourself just complained that leaver queue takes forever because ppl aren’t really trying (Though one team HAS to win)

When you see thousands of posts, the new posters initial reaction is ‘wow, this person spends all their life on this crappy forum’.

But take into account, the forum was first released in 2014, then reseted in early 2017. The year 2025 is closing in within two months.
I signed up to the reworked forum in around that time. And to be honest, I post less than once a day. I don’t visit the forum for weeks sometimes. And the math adds up, it is less than 1 post a day (spread over ~3000 days).

Someone with 6k posts assuming they were around from the forum restart, does not really post more than twice or thrice a day. Not a huge time commitment.

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Thats just the defeat argument people comes with when they have nothing better to add to the topic. Post numbers should not really be something people use unless they are trolling. If I count my own then I have written 5,5 posts/day since 2017 when forum got reworked and dislike button got removed.

Thats not really that much when you think about those 5 posts could be written at any given moment of the day before/in/after work or before bed time including holidays and days off.

The reset was in October 2018.

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Thank you for the correction. I misremembered the date.

People care; most of what I wrote is verifiable, it’s not ‘weird’, you just didn’t bother to read it, but want act like you have an authoritative opinion – that thing I was explaining in the post you didn’t read. Yea, compound sentence there; it doesn’t ‘read’ well, but it’s how someone who say it in oral communication.

It’s a lot easier for someone to claim an absolute as exaggeration (nobody) then to put in effort, or realize that someone can’t ‘prove a negative’. That’s part of why people do it instead of, ya know, having a list of their own counterpoints to disprove a claim.

https://inthe1980s.com/80s-slang-phrases/
“Totally” is one the easier references of the 1980’s with stereotypical surfer dudes and valley girls using it in, like, totally, every sentence. Totally, dude.

“virtually” and “seriously” are associated with the 1990’s and are readily available through various media if people know where to look.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K9R1rYrHbU

The link there is to a youtube version of a website April Fools gag that was parodying some of the trends of the '90’s as parody is sometime easier to demonstrate the extent of something compared to multiple references that people aren’t going to check anyway.

“Literally” was 2010’s with Weird Al lampooning the usage there in his “Word Crimes” song. People that were using it then have kids that are using it now, so there’s a resurgence of “literally” much the same that words associated with the 1980’s were in resurgence then, and are seeing some usage again ‘now’ as media from that time continues to get new adaptations. “Actually” is easier to find in the meme of the 2010’s, but these variations in how generations use that one over the years.

Comparing various forms of Scooby Doo, TMNT, Ghost Busters, etc etc makes it easier to see similarities in language that are trying to bridge a gap from the reference (parent) to the consumer (child). Media need character stereotypes for easy recognition, which also leads to easy imitation, especially if they’re reusing a known property instead of making something ‘new’.

So a number of these 4-syllable language trends are found in cartoons, movies, and whatever else needs to condense readily identifiable characterizations and cultural in a few words. It’s an easily overlooked observation, but one that’s easy to verify if someone bothers to actually notice something beyond the tip of their nose :stuck_out_tongue:

The game is dead and trash let it go. The devs have serious brain damage thinking punishing its customers with a leaver queue is a good idea.

Why are you still playing though?

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except a number of known games also do it. (gee, let’s do a thing that LoL and Dota 2 have :open_mouth: )

Maybe you’re only keen on the ‘wait ‘x’ hours to play’ punishments, but games that didn’t used to have leaver-punishments have been adding them in newer releases at the request of their playerbase so even non team-based games may have leaver queues too. The deliberate choice to implement these systems is probably based on pro/cons and not ‘brain damage’ as you seem inclined to assume.

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Probably the best question. If people hate the game then why continue playing it ?

Which kind of punishment would you rather give people who contiunue to leave games without a single care in the world ? If you dont behave the same way as the trolls do then leaver que should never be a concern for you. But somehow it is casue you do leave by the look of it. Just prove the punishment works as intended.