This is all wrong. You lose 500 points each time you ditch a match. If you ditch 2 matches, you’d lose 1000, which is a whole rank assuming you got out of leaver’s queue, queued for ranked and quit again. You essentially could do this over and over… but I’m not sure it even stacks. Even if it does, you’re not guaranteed wins and even if you do win, you’re not going to get farther because you won and got the 50 extra points because those points were already taken away from you. If this were the case everyone could just quit games in order to climb and no one would be silver or gold, but much higher.
The question was not how to get visual rank to bronze5, but how to get to bronze5 games. Those are 2 different things.
If you start at bronze1 and leave enough games to get your visual rank to bronze5 (that would take a mighty long time, btw), you would still be matched as if you were still bronze1 and get into bronze1 games.
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Your mmr is your rank in SL. So yes if you get a “visual” rank as bronze 5, you are in fact… getting bronze 5 games.
Nah, you won’t. The leaver’s penalty is just fluff. You never actually “lose” the points.
Leaver’s penalty has nothing to do with it. You do lose the points but you get a penalty redemption every time you win. You effectively win those points back, which all alters your mmr.
In terms of matchmaking you really DON’T lose the points. It’s just visual fluff for you to feel bad about leaving. It doesn’t affect actual matchmaking.
Keep your headcanon then. I’m done here. Go look it up if you don’t believe me.
Plus, your logic makes no sense. If you were to quit matches and get pushed to bronze 5, why would you be matched against other bronze 5. Are they really actually bronze 1 or silver? No. If you don’t believe me, do it yourself and tell me what you see. If you drop from bronze 1 to bronze 5, or any rank from 1 to 5, see what number you get matched against after you’ve dropped. Then come back.
Question is, this part.
According to Biochemikas it does. If it is indeed so, it can be abused for faster rank up.
But, is it? That’s some mighty stack-up if it does. 10 leaver during draft, is it 200+500 points per win or something? Or is it 200+50, all the way to, (2000 / 50 = 40), 40 wins? Does points in pool ever dissipate?
edit: math wrong. gonna change it later.
You get 50 points each game over the course of many games. The only points that fluctuate are the ones that fluctuate where sometimes you only get +/-190 for win and +/- 220. It’ll tell you in a breakdown that you recieved 50 points as a penalty redemption. So for example, if your match gave you 200 points, you get an extra 50 as a redemption for leaving that one match.
I’ve only ever had 2 in a row, but I got all of it back.
As I said, that’s a non-issue as it really doesn’t affect matchmaking (it was very obvious in the old days when the average of matches was common to be the exact average of your current rank and 2 leaves did not affect it at all (you’d just be a “diamond4” in a diamond3 average game, for example)).
Ah, got it. But the question still remains. Does the points (from leaver penalty) in pool ever dissipate? If it doesn’t, Biochemikas is likely correct. If it does, likely not.
I was agreeing with you on that, so no explanation needed.
I’m still wondering about the question though. In your case, it was two, so likely from a single log-in time frame. What happens if you leave/log out? What happens in quest reset time?
No. You get 50 until you’ve earned back the 500 you lost initially.
Think about this… if it really was a way to hack the system why are people still bronze? or Silver and why isn’t everyone who routinely leaves matches higher rank than they should be?
Crap. Assumed it was -200 points for leaver. Scrap my math above.
That still didn’t answer the question though.
No idea. I just had a few cases where i oversleep a draft, painstakingly clear my leaver’s queue in the horrorshow of aram and then, by murphy’s law, oversleep the very next draft (and then obviously quit for the day, as doing 4+ more arams is too much even for me). I never managed to do that before end of season yet XD.
My theorycrafting for seasonal reset: since it doesn’t affect internal mmr, you’d just basically “magically” regain all “lost” leaver points after the 3 placement games, as it would start off the new points based on your internal points. Or you’d just continue on where you left off entirely and still have the “banked” missing visual ranks. If I had to put money on it, I would bet on the 1st option though.
If there was anyone in the world who enjoys playing leaver’s queue arams (I would have a hard time believing in existence of such a person) - maybe you could dodge 10 ranked drafts in a row (that would require playing 40-80+ arams to clear the leaver’s games) and then record the average ranks of a few of the following ranked games. That would provide a much stronger proof of internal mmr not being affected and would also test the limits of penalty stacking (although that part would also require then playing 100 ranked games to fully clear the stack if it actually stacked all 5000 points xd).
P.S. I guess it doesn’t have to be arams, it can be qm’s (leaver’s queue qm’s though - strong stomach still required). Still the full experiment would require both a lot of qm’s and a lot of ranked games played.
I’m quite sure the result would be as I said it is and I’d expect the penalty to stack indefinitely too. But if there’s some1 in need of a different and wacky long term goal in the game - you’re free to put it to the real test :P.
P.P.S. In case it was proven to be false (unlikely), leaver-point-stacking ranking up would be by far the best and fastest method to get out of “deep” bronze5 (where gain/loss per game is even lower than the +50 return).
MMR doesn’t decay, only rank points do.
Dodging draft makes you lose rank points, not MMR. They aren’t the same thing.
A decayed GM at D5 will play with others D5.
Dodging draft makes you lose rank points, not MMR.
If you dodge 100 drafts, you’ll get the 5000 points back.
In my opinion, you play around your current rank points, not your MMR. If it wasn’t the case, then you’d see D5 in GM games that are also the crown (banner).
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Incorrect.
Ranked Points are now directly mapped to a player’s Storm League MMR.
- Rank is no longer considered by the matchmaker.
Lever’s penalty is an exception to that. And if you’re so bent on not having exceptions, you can imagine that the matchmaker “adds” your “banked” ranked leaver points before matchmaking (in reality they were never “taken away” from internal mmr at all).
How hard is it to understand that you need to be told that 100 times?
P.S. The only other current case where the visible rank does not correspond to internal mmr is “below” bronze5.
P.P.S. Before that patch, the visible rank pretty much never represented internal mmr correctly (mostly in thanks to existence of promotion/demotion games). So the correspondence now is much better, but you still shouldn’t view it as “absolute”.
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The only way you could prove what you’re saying is correct is to leave a lot of matches, and see who the enemies are. If they’re the same rank as your new “visual” rank, then what I’m saying is right.
You didn’t even read the patch notes. Nowhere does it say how the penalties affect your MMR. It does say however that your Rank=MMR and that your Rank drops when you leave. If you understood the relation between the two, you’d get that the penalty temporarily drops your MMR as well, since MMR and Rank points are the same thing. You obviously don’t get it, so I’m literally just wasting my time.
You’re assuming you are right, but the patch notes say otherwise and you haven’t proven to me that the way you say it works is actually how it is. Go prove it works the way you say it does by intentionally leaving matches and see who your enemies are.
B5 is a special case that has been discussed many times on this forum, and even explained by devs. You can’t use an outlier to represent the rest of the ranks.
You had 3 years to figure out that it has exceptions and you still don’t get it.
They can be related to some degree, but not fully.