Do you think this game can die like paragon?

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I hope not, but all those scary topic when people need to wait 500s for a game, make me sad for them :thinking:

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Paragon was dead on arrival for one simple reason: Graphic requirements.

All other MOBA’s can run in inexpensive and older machines with acceptable performance. Paragon couldn’t.

Epic clearly learned that that was a big part of the problem (not entirely) when they released Fortnite with the toony graphics, means you reach a much broader audience, including kids and lower spec machines.

Blizzard’s ‘cartoony’ approach is a part of their style now, but it’s not the only reason they’ve always used that approach.

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hm i have play paragon a bit and the main problem for me was :

Duration of the game, sometimes 1 or 2 hours (crazy).
Ranged vs melee, this is a tps moba, and ranged explode you and hide behind minion.
Mana, you never have any mana, you use one skill, you are nearly oom, mean = no skill = no fun.

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If Diablo 3 still alive for years without any kind of update (untill Immortal), I don’t see why HotS should die.
Is it the most played moba? Nope, the reasons are many. But it’s constantly updated with new Heroes, maps, rework, fix and - of course - cosmetics.

The doomsayers yelling around that the game is dead are doing this since the Alpha.

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its pretty funny that this is being mentioned actually. this kind of reminds me of a discussion in D3 when i use to play over there. it was the classic game vs other game (D3 vs PoE).

well, one of the things that came up in discussion was how much ‘better’ the graphics were in D3. something i had said to this, because at the time i liked to bounce between the two games, was that PoE did the graphics the way they did intentionally. they said this actually. GGG said they could have easily gone with much higher graphics only playable with top end hardware, but it would have drove off a lot of their prospective customers.

they were going for F2P model you see. something blizzard wasnt into at that time because not even hearthstone was out. so to do this they had to take in as many ppl as possible that they could make money off of the cosmetics they would be offering. what they did was make the game playable even on really low end machines. this is something i could never say about D3 actually. GGG actually went that extra mile by providing really high settings graphic settings for those that have it, but also having the ability to drop it really low so someone that has really crap machine can play it too.

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I loved Paragon but it had a lot of issues. Less informative for new players than heroes. Toxic as hell player base (everyone acts like they have an endorsement deal on the line) . Hideously broken balancing . I’m pretty sure another huge fault in the game was that it allowed surrender, so you’d wait 5 minutes or so for a match only to have someone surrender 3 minutes into the game 8 our of 10 games. Also yeah, the match length was LONG, half hour was pretty average but 1 or 2 hour games could happen if people played it right.

By “Right” they mean stay by towers until level 10. BOOOORRRRRIIIIIIING. No fighting , no nothing. Don’t push the lanes , just get the minions and wait for the jungle to finish farming so you might get to see a gank before 10. Support is the Carry’s slave, just keep 'em fed. So my teams HATED watching Narbash the Conqueror plow through the enemy carry and slam down a tower before some of 'em finished their 2nd wave playing the game “Right”.

If HOTS ends up being as passive as that where most of the game is “Waiting to soak” then it’s not worth worrying about.

That said, Paragon’s assets are up for Free, $17,000,000 in Assets to any Unreal developer that wants to work it.

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Majority of the players grew up playing Blizz games (at least 1).
The game has to become really really bad to make players stop playing their favourite characters from retro times :smiley:

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Why should they waste resources on Paragon when they had Activision drooling over Fortnite’s success?

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I don’t even know what Paragon is

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If they keep making stupid mistakes like awful reworks and stupid XP changes yes it will.

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I don’t think so, simply because they didn’t pull the plug on Diablo 3 yet.

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Die? Likely not. This is Blizzard and they tend to support things years and years after release. Heroes is still going strong in terms of new content - I just wish Blizzard would make small changes rather than these frequent, massive shifts.

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Hehe :smiley: It’s amazing to me how different the people opinion about this game.
I see this game as an advertisement for the blizzard games. If i would not playing with this game, perhaps i would skipp the “give a try” to the wow legion and now i deffinetly would not playing with my warlock in the bfa.

This paragon game advertisement was pretty bad or they just choosed bad console? I don’t know this game, but it’s looks a like orcs must die pvp game what was very unsuccesfull too. Not really this genre at all.

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No, you know, this game is basically immune to its own problems because all it needs to survive is for 1% of the Hearthstone/WoW/Overwatch players to be bored enough with their main game at any given moment to come mess around with HotS. I doubt it’s going to get shut down. Plus, they’ve invested pretty heavily in HotS as an esport, which would make it tough to abandon.

I do think it’s entering a sort of zombie state now, though. The player base is not going to grow with queue times doubled or tripled. New people who have to wait six minutes for a QM are going to assume the game is dead and bail. The HotS dev team is obviously getting smaller. Look at this Christmas event. Arguably the largest event of the year, and all HotS is getting is three new skins, a couple of mounts, and some sprays. That’s the work of a skeleton crew, not a full team. This is clearly a game in decline.

So, no, I don’t think it’s going to die like Paragon, but I do think it would take some very real promotional investment for HotS to rebound and have a healthy player base again. They would have to create some major synergy with Overwatch, and then pimp the living bejesus out of this game during the upcoming OWL season.

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Counter argument: HotS engine is the worst engine ever and most players can’t even enjoy medium settings without getting destroyed by framerate stutters.

You sweet summer child need a bad computer to tell the difference. I can play LoL with my sh1tty laptop with max settings and my FPS is normal, with HotS it goes down and stutters ONLY WITH MEDIUM SETTINGS.

HotS drains ur CPU and it’s horrible.

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Paragon had SO much potential. It was 3D, they could have done anything. THEY HAD A WHOLE Z AXIS AND DID NOTHING WITH IT. Gosh, makes me sad, just another Smite clone.

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Paragon looked so cool though :frowning:

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Trust me this “sweet summer child” had to live up with outdated computers for 10 years before being able to get a decent one again. :sweat_smile:

I was all up in those settings and changing .ini files, or whatever it was, to remove shadows completely since the game menu only allows for shadows to be on low.
Everything on low or off, reverb off, my hots was a blob of colours up until a year and a half ago. :laughing:

Still, HotS ran on a 2011 laptop and even on a 2009 one, If I had tried that with Paragon it would have caugh fire!:fire:

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Im losing hope.

Ive been here basically since beta, and I allways thought the ‘‘game dying’’ threads were just whinning babies running around.

BUT, this time, after years and years trying to prove them wrong and ignoring them im finally there.

At this rate its a matter of time before the servers become too much of a money drain to maintain and the game shuts down.

Its very sad to me, I loved this game.

But the pumping out of new heroes and no work on old heroes makes the roster boring and narrow the more heroes we get, blanket nerfs on tanks and supports making them boring to play with little to no gameplay diversity, they have consistently removed the depth of this game and what made it unique bit by bit, and the new set of support nerfs, exp changes and removing specialists just bring this point home.

For a while now the most this game had to offer was fast QM randomness fun, being given weird team comps battling against eachother trying to figure out how to win.
Now that is gone as well. My Qs in the last 4 days have been over 5 minutes with horrible teams anyway, no matter the role i play. After trying to get into a game for 15 minutes I just leave the game. Its not worth it. We got to a point where going for a draft in LoL will be faster (Q+the game) than hots QM.

We watched mewn wait in Q for 2 hours for HL the other day, with a friend of his sitting in Q for over 3 hours.

The big streamers are leaving, or playing the game just sometimes and in team league, the viewers are leaving, Hots isnt even in the top 30 games on Twitch anymore.

Even the old QM was a unique thing to this game that they removed. A lot of people (including me) enjoyed going into a game that required you to think on your feet, being creative about making use of your teams strenghts and weaknesses to spot and make use of win conditions.

Im genuenly sad. Its like losing a friend. A lot of things are bad now and I dont agree with, which means I will be playing a lot less and if every time I try to play I have to deal with 15 minutes of Q times Im just gonna stop even trying.

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