Developers no longer like forums

Paradox Developers no longer read their own forums. I could see the same reasons why Blizzard abandoned HotS and Overwatch forum and prefer reddit. Most constructive regulars don’t post much anymore or abandoned the forum.

A typical topic is just whining or ad hominems towards devs with little to no constructive feedback. That’s the majority of users. They come and leave all the time.

Are game forums just doomed to fail because the gaming community overwhelmingly consists of awful people? A forum can’t exist on the quality posts of 1-2% of the community.

98% or more of posts are from a person joining, making some half-hearted insult with bad grammar then leaving. Or people who only come on the forums to make some random insult towards the company.

No suggestions for improvement, no arguments, just something a random orc that got hit in the head by a hammer would type full of typos and wrong information.

It needs a majority quality output or it’s not worth reading at all, especially if you are a developer whose time is precious.

In retrospect I feel lucky a developer as senior as Adam Jackson used to interact here even though he no longer works on HotS.
Should all game discussion just move to Reddit or Twitter?

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tired of dealing with a culture “that is not enjoyable to take part in.”

Abandoning a forum for not being “enjoyable” isn’t going to fix nor improve anything.

They are literally free to moderate it as they see fit and if the tools currently available aren’t enough for that, they just need to make better tools.

If you open a kindergarten you’re kinda obligated to you know do your job and take care of the children, you don’t just let them run wild because they are unruly.

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Toxicity sucks for them just as much as it does for us. If it was my job to read player feedback I’d be more likely to read it and even more likely to interact somewhere where I wont get eaten alive.
tbh, I don’t want to post here sometimes.

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I mean reddit does fine but in the future I guess devs need to sift through posts. Either that or ignore the community at its peril

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okay.
they made the platform
they have control over its forums.
why dont they just ban/suspend ? come on… discord moderators got more back bone then some game companies it seems.

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If they reply and take feedback it shows the game is alive and the dev are proactive. Once a month is do able

Now with the winter event in may this screams out dead game.
I dont know why they dont do this. I like to keep my job

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facts. just have atleast a intern saying hi…

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Forum goers haven’t changed. Users on forums such as this one have been largely the same in tone, in volume of complaints, in stupid posts, in constructive posts, in “I hate/love the dev” posts since forever. There’s no significant drop in the quality of the posts here, it’s simply a choice by Blizzard staff to not engage with people on the forums. Probably because of their own posting habits where they’d rather use these other sites, because of the increasingly soulless corporate nature of Blizzard, or because they feel that it’s more worth their time since they can probably reach a wider audience there.

That said, assuming that they are indeed hiding from the forums to avoid “overwhelmingly negative” comments, then that is truly pathetic. A lot of people will only come to the forums when they feel there is something with or in the game. Of course there will be an excessive amount of negative comments about the game and people’s frustrations with it, that is the nature of these things. Especially when it’s the forum of a game that has “failed” but still clings to life. Updates will slow, development staff will be cut, compounding the frustrations of the players even further as the problems they see are not being fixed, leading to even more frustrated posts.

Never should a game developer isolate themselves from the negative feedback they receive on their game if they care about its quality. Yes, there will be a lot of people throwing around dumb complaints. You don’t have to take every single post on the forum seriously, you can gloss over most of it. But, it’s a gauge to find out what sort of issues your audience has with your game. What do they like about it, what do they not like about it, what’s frustrating, what issues are gaining a lot of traction, is it something we can fix, are we concentrating our development time in the right areas, etc etc.

This is useful feedback that is critical to keeping in touch with the pulse of your playerbase. If you only surround yourself with positive feedback, and ask those that are already complacent what they would like to see in the game, then you will become blind to the problems that your game is currently facing. If your playerbase is largely unhappy with your game, then only addressing the happy ones will mean ignoring the majority of your market. No one likes being told that they did a bad job, but opting to continue to do the job badly while receiving a pat on the back for it is a far worse alternative.

And on the Paradox devs in particular, I have quite a bit of experience with HOI4 myself, and that game is a mess. The DLCs are expensive, the game engine has run like garbage since day 1 and still does to this day, each new expansion they add creates more and more problems with the game, playing on a version of the game that’s been updated for a new DLC without purchasing that DLC often leads to many game-breaking problems rendering it unplayable without purchasing it. Yes, I would imagine they face quite a bit of negativity in their forums because they continue to pump out new DLCs and develop new systems without fixing existing broken ones.

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It seems they are even worse crybabies than those toxic players.

Bawwwww, Internet said a cuss, mommyyyyyyyyyy.

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I am not surprised actually, because it’s not fun to interact with immature adults. It doesn’t matter, if it’s real life or internet actions. Usually it’s just a waste of time.

TBF HOTS actually has one of the nicer gaming forums. However other forums like the Overwatch one is so bad that the devs avoid it completely. Even Jeff did not say goodbye to it when he left. (he did for reddit)

Been on there for quite some time, and it really can be soul crushing at times.

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technically its a job.
they get paid 15 bucks for it too. xD

True and there are still people out there, who thinks Hots Community is the worst, while ignoring the fact that it’s rather the problem of the internet than of some games specifically.

Then it looks like the moderators just quit their job or moved else where, because this place didn’t felt healthy.

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Quit, no
Layed off to save money because an all time high earnings call wasn’t enough?
Yes
Twice… :l

I can understand the situation, however, it’s not a good idea to abandon and become ashamed of the place you work in. There’s a few remedies that can fix this.

  1. The Devs should make it a key rule or apart of their job to make a post once every few days. This will definitely keep the motivation and community in check. The Devs can easily reply to any posts they want or that’s not upsetting them etc. If it comes down to that, Treat it as a “work” thing rather than because you want to be apart of a communicative community. I mean there’s lots of side things at work I don’t want to do, but still do it. If it was apart of my job, I’d love to post a few things in a forum etc.

  1. If the Devs do make a more active approach in the forums, it usually means the forum members will grow exponentially and so will the hate-sayers. So get a few more trusted mods around the clock.
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But that’s contraproductive for the company. They want money, but less investments, because it decreases the income .

If you knew how many trolls this forum have had the past 2 years that were spamming the forum with childrish posts then no wonder thy moved to Reddit lol.

0 post accounts made 1 hour ago makes a rage post and is never seen again.

0 post accounts that only joins to troll and call everyone a forum main/Whiteknight and insults people with how many post counts they got. Meanwhile his own account is 2 hour old and has already made 30 posts about us being Blizzdrones.

Random 10 post account shows up and give death threats to people.
Random 20 post account shows up and support him in his trolling
Well you know the story.

And then you have the regular forum trolls that just pops up once in a while an makes a dead game comment and log out again.

From what had happend the past 2 years I would not be surpriced if the devs saw this forum unfit to post anything but balance patches and events from a forum robot
Meanwhile the devs stick to Reddit cause there are more people and properly also less trolls and better moderation.

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Their job is not to guide future generations though. They signed up to develop games, not pander to the needs of people who think because they are not face to face with people, that they can talk however they like. If they try to interact with the community of games they work on, good on them, but it is not a must.

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You just described almost all the posters here except decent people like you and some others.
Mostly 0-10 post hit and runs who just come here to insult the devs then vanish like ghosts.

I mean those ones you listed are the forum in a nutshell.

Not that it’s much better on other Blizz forums. At least it’s a bit harder on WoW since you need to buy a license but it’s not that much better there either.

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facts.
idk what its like on the corpo side but for us mud slinging consumers mean words on a forum wouldnt make us quit.
gosh i work at walmart.
in mef country.
but i still come back even if a customer spits on me.