Discord mods don’t have to deal with legal issues, their servers are mostly private owned, big companies like Blizzard will of course have more restrictions regarding how they moderate as to avoid any legal issues
Edit: that being said I do agree that Blizzard have the power to make the forums more conducive for their own developers, but I don’t think a lot of people, especially 0 post whiners (which is sort of the majority?), Will like that, Blizz wi probably get more crap if they impose more moderation
Being crybaby is immature. Shifting the blame from one’s own unability to conversate is immature. Dealing with problems like grown, responsible people is mature.
A developers time is no more valuable than the players time. They helped create the culture they find so unenjoyable. maybe if they actually listened to what people want out of the game they could have made a better game which would in turn result in less toxicity. They are the architects of their own unhappiness
Exactly that’s why if you want to complain about it, you have to do it in a constructive way to get constructive feedback and not just spelling: “Sh-it game, op heroes”.
That’s totally how it works… that’s why people are still playing Blizzard games, even though the devs don’t communicate in their forum.
There were a lot of “constructive feedback” since 2014. Were any changes implemented? Maybe that enigmatic matchmaking system which remains mystery to every and all? Or it was HGC and HotD cancellation?
This is why moderation exists. If they don’t want to do their job OR Kotick don’t want to spend a dime on their services… is that players’ fault?
People are sheep. Nevertheless, lots of servers are dying. AU, SG, Asia, some US servers are getting less and less attention.
And this is why developers are still abandon the Blizzard company while Kotick giving himself a huge raise. Repercussions are real and the result will be clear.
Why would they care though? If they actually played their own games they would know that the exact same type of players are packed in their games. Y’know the players the devs catered to when the tryhards got upset at them and got banned for it. The hypocrisy is real on this one but it probably has more to do with them killing the game slowly.
Yes, of course, just not all. You have to be completely blind or ignorant to not see that.
Ah yes “the sheep arguement”. We know it’s always the others, who are the sheeps, while the complainer is the smart person, who knows the truth…
Confirmation Bias is doing it’s work.
But don’t get me wrong I am not your enemy or the defender from Activision Blizzard. I know that this company did many mistakes in the past that lead my favorite game in a financial crisis, but talking about how the company / devs never listen to the community is just straight up ignorant.
Some games use facebook and/or discord, so reddit and twitter (esp not twitter) aren’t the new/exclusive outlets. But it is common place for game communications to move to social media platforms for a tl;dr environment over a “forum”.
Keep in mind that several other games/companies have outright closed their forums in favor of either minimizing communication, or they switch to the social media platforms. The ‘toxicity’ of the community is not a recent trend either; back in the beta for the game, the forums where rife with players that didn’t even have a beta key (ie, have actually game experience to provide feedback) but were insistent that their ignorance was more valuable than otherwise.
Similarly, a number of ‘good’ posters ended up becoming trolls in the span of the game’s life. Some posters that had gotten blue replies thought they were magically above others and would actively try to summon a reply. When it wouldn’t happen, they then would get bitter and over time yada yada troll. Similarly, some attempts to personally appeal to select players were met with effectual betrayal of expectations.
Several types of posters that come here aren’t going to offer feedback, they want blues so they can “debate them” and fantasize that they’ll magically ‘win’ and get some sort of ‘confession’ to validate their effectual delusions, esp since people were rallying that the game was a ‘failure’ from the onset.
The “internet” generally does not have the intent, attention span, and communication habits to engage with a forum anymore. A hefty chunk of people come here and conduct themselves as if it were the social media platform; as older devs give way to younger ones that didn’t use ‘forums’ of course preferences are going to change in communication platforms.
If people aren’t going to processes past the first sentence, let alone an archive of replies, then it’s not worth the effort/cost/etc to have staff to sift through an ineffective tool.
Companies are just afraid of offending anyone and it is easy to understand why their employees choose to more actively participate on off-site platforms. Check the LGBT nonsense in the wow section (don’t start accusing me before you’ve actually read it, I am speaking in context of an uncontrolled wild fire).
A developer might talk openly about his vision for the game and get in trouble with management because if they do so here their words become promises which they ultimately fail to deliver. If they do so elsewhere it is interpreted as friendly banter and interest for the well-being of the game.
It is a problem of their own making. The hands off approach and lack of moderation is what shaped the forums to encourage such a low standard of communication.
The main problem with forums is how they are seen as everyone’s right, rather than a privilege. The general apathy is however understandable because providing feedback feels like yelling into an echo chamber and if by chance too much of it accumulates over time, it just gets deleted altogether.
The community is not the developers feel good manager, especially for ruined and dead games like HOTS. They should at least have an community manager who reads the forums and gives the feedback to the team. This is not a enjoyable spare time activity for sure.
Toxicity and nagging consequences of developers ignoring constructive feedback. In addition, the developers gave it a reason, because they did nothing to fix problems that only the blind cannot see. Stop defending developers and blaming people for everything.
well haven been to both forums over the years, the situation over there is a tad more extreme compared to here (particularly with regards to EU4). some of it has to do with the difference in the games.
some of the EU4 junkies are quite…what’s the word…pretentious? they have their heads so far up their ***es it’s incredible. it’s like some elitist circle that attacks developers and more casual players alike. things started getting pretty bad I think around 2017/2018 or so with that game. they pride themselves on putting out EU4 content, making world conquest speedruns, doing AAR diaries, etc. for example of how bad it was couple years back, a forum poster who creates content (streamer? modder? AAR writter idk) for the game made a statement in a thread about game mechanics or something. One of the developers or Paradox POCs replied. well, one of the fanbois of this forum poster (not the forum poster himself) started going ballistic on the developer about “how dare you have such an ignorant reply? show some respect, don’t you know who you are talking to?” It was absurd. Now Paradox has gotten sloppier the past year or two with their DLCs being bug-prone, which is not helping. but I mean the toxicity was already brewing there amongst the “stars” of EU4 and their fanbois.
this game the elite players seemed to take greater offense to the abandonment of the pro scene than anything else. maybe some quips here and there about hero balance and game development, but the whole beratement it is way lighter/less obnoxious. you do get your vintage “my rank is higher than yours” type of attitude towards other players, but that’s expected in a MOBA. I don’t see the better/best players go after the developers the same way.
You try keeping the compulsive complainers under control. A dev would make a topic about map changes, and someone would come in complaining about bots or matchmaking, or not getting enough gold.
Simple issue a warring for speaking off-topic which can even be flagged under the “Spamming or Trolling” of the CoC, if the behavior continues hit them with a silence.
If a child is misbehaving you correct them.
Kids, much like trolls are loud and obnoxious for the sole purpose of drawing attention to themselves.
In this metaphor Blizzard are the adults while we’re the children, this is their space and as such their rules apply, if we are unable to follow said rules we should be put in the naughty corner.
When they go to reddit first, and leave their own forums vacant minus posting to meme posts or to appreciation ones, and virtually nothing else for years on end…wtf do you expect? People to be happy they abandon their own forums…errr should I say, never gave two farts about it (since ya know…they started with reddit posts vs here).
Every AMA was reddit. They caused it themselves. Boohoo, devs have to deal with blowback from bad decisions, lack of communication, or just repeatedly showing their simply don’t care about their customer base. Get a left nut, stand up, and take responsibility. or take the woke approach, cry, scream at how insert-ist here and blame it on the community.
Then you wouldn’t mind showing me an example of something useful being implemented, would you?
Your demagogic arguments won’t work on me. The game is dying, developers are leaving, Kotick are gaining on personal profit. The fact that some people repeat same actions over and over again just because that’s all they need it not indicating healthy state of the game.
