You guys are 3 years late on this request tho, there’s no way anything like that will happen now
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no, zuljin is another stacked hero that he needed to spent a lot of time stacking in the game (without losing stacks on dead), yet, he got a reworked talent (Recklessness) that allows him to gain double stacking, so it shouldn’t be a great deal tweaking butcher trait to lose less meat for dead or reworking a talent that allow him to stack faster
My main issue with butcher in general is that if you do not get him rolling at a certain point. Then there will come a another point where you cannot get him rolling at all.
Thus I feel lessening his lost meat could help. This could also help stop players taking big risks to recover their lost meat.
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In exchange for carrying him early game, he is expected to repay the team late game, but often fails to fulfill this promise… The reason: he failed to gain stacks early enough to make a difference, OR because the game is really over at that point and his team has won.
In ether case, the Butcher player would have been better off playing as any other hero (he’s a snowballing “win more” hero).
ok i wont say that u said is wrong… but its not completly true, i dont think he is a poorly desinged hero… he is just the way as it is the lore of diablo world, i dont think he is an hypercarry, except in vs IA or againts bronzes, his big flaw and his most distinctive feature is his trait, wich i like the stacking damage quest, but amount of meat losing is too high for an average hero.
yes he can fail to get stacks even if the butcher is good, but win with him is not that hard…I win more games than I lose, just because in order to the butcher to win you need 3 things to happen:
- the butcher must don’t die
- enemy must play carelessly
- your team must be able to score wins
but if he gets some way like zuljin to stack faster or losing less meat, this would help to reduce the impact of a “poorly hero desing”
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Butchers issues go beyond his stacks. His E is particularly bad. As i once said
Almost every other diver doesn’t give nearly as much of a warning and many of them also have a plan of escape. His over reliance on auto attacks also make him easier to peel then a sonya or hogger would be.
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How about we meet halfway and he loses 15?
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do you mean his Ruthless Onslaught ( Charge at an enemy, becoming Unstoppable and stuning for 1 second) is particularly bad? lol i dont think his E is bad, in fact i think is one of the best skills he has, his point and click CC like a homing missile is great in most cases… te Butcher E make him even better than stitches that has NO stuns… so no, i think is Q could do more dmg and slow more, and i would love that his W grants movspeed at baseline
if he loses 15 stacks but also if he gets a talent rework that make minons gives 2 stacks per minion we have a deal
Butcher just needs a redesign, period.
Actually no. I would rather get a new hero instead.
Sure The Butcher might be problematic, but compare him to the heroes, who got reworked: D.Va, Gazlowe or Tassardar and Butcher’s popularity is higher than this heroes (it’s in the middle ground). Before reworking heroes I would take popularity into consideration to not mispleased customers as they did with Tassadar and old Tass was less popular than The Butcher.
And since Hots is currently in a bad spot I wouldn’t want to waste ressources for questionable demands like this. We don’t need to make more people quit, because their favorite hero is reworked. And TheButcher made a good point that the current version is comparable to his design in Diablo.
I am absolutely fine with feast or femine design, because not every hero needs to be a generalist and Hots is all about different playstyles.
https://www.heroesprofile.com/Global/Hero/
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The group and I can play The Butcher fine. We comp in a way that The Butcher can double soak while the 4 man Gank and invade camps. Of course it’s the vegan build, but It’s a stacked Butcher by lvl 14 guaranteed.
The enemy is so busy with the rest of us that The Butcher never gets ganked themselves. That build’s also excellent for him to solo-camp.
Edit: The Butcher’s a great Mephisto counter.
I love butcher, but this is one of those situational heaors that can bring next to 0 value or steamroll the enemy team.
Limit max meat to 200-250 and reduce meat lost on death to 10-15 that would adress both issues.
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E is great for catching people out of position but can be hard to use when the whole team is around and ready for you to charge it and it lacks the flexibility to do anything else.
Forgive me for bringing up league but I think it would be cool if it worked more like Sion’s ult.
UNSTOPPABLE ONSLAUGHT (the ability)
Sion charges in a direction, ramping up speed over time. He can steer his charge slightly with the mouse cursor location. When he collides with an enemy he deals damage and knocks them up based on the distance he has charged.
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well i wouldnt like a rework for butcher… i like how he is… also a rework would make him OP, i dont want to him to be OP because everyone will start to playing and baning him and it would be annoying for us mains butchers lol
lol well is not a big “demand” not asking for a rework, just a few lines of codes making him losing less meat and we happy
how is that?
this is the dream
okays thats pretty op, even for butcher… lol but looks pretty cool indeed
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Well, he already only loses 15 stacks on death, so just a talent rework it is.
Maybe not make it as strong as an ult, but its a pretty fun ability. 
I also think butcher could use a rework but not to drastic of one. The stacks should stay, the ults should stay but buff furnace blast, and address how easily he can be countered. I just wish he was a bit less extreme with his sink or swim style.
If you chain mephisto while hes doing his in and out thing, hell snap back to the place where you chained him. Its funny and an easy kill.
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I don’t think there’s really a problem with how Butcher works. It’s just that people approach him too one-dimensionally or just plain stupidly. I usually try to lane as much as possible and gank people overextending. I’m not exactly expecting the team to feed me kills till I’m stacked but trying to make the most out of whatever they’re already doing.
Also when understacked you shouldn’t play passively. That’s a fast way to lose the game. You win some games by a stomp and lose some the same way but somewhere in the middle there are games where you really need to use your game sense. And that’s what separates consistent Butchers from everybody else.
oh lol really i forgot that he only loses 15, he got 20 for kills, if he dies after the kill, he only gets 5 stacks, wich is still quite poor stacking for a kill… maybe 10 stacks losing feels much better, if u kill and die u lose 50% and keep the other 50% this is pretty fair
yeah this is what i mostly do with him, i dont expect my team to score kills, but always glad with them if they do xD
well i usually dont like to lose stacking playing bold and risking my progress, when im understacked i just try to lane as much i can and dont die… sometimes got my full stacks and then we fightback and stomp
I think I have Butch at lvl 40 with around 56% wr. Mostly solo q QM.
My understanding of the Hero (and the character) suggests that he needs a Rework so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’d be worked on. Pretty sure that the Feast/Famine nature needs to go (so no extra punishment on Death but less rewards for Stacking).
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I probably should’ve clarified I meant playing passive during objectives mostly. Some Butchers just yolo and die while some just poke with their Q because they’re too afraid of losing a bit of meat. In my opinion even understacked Butcher should be played aggressively, but not recklessly. If you can secure the objective and gain the level advantage but die in the process, you set yourself up for a better position than if you lose the objective and are disadvantaged but keep your stacks. And while playing any hero, you should avoid dying, dying as Butcher is only slightly more inconvenient and shouldn’t be too much afraid of.