All these new talent changes look exciting to me and I can’t wait to try them out but before I do! What do you guys think of the talents added so far? and what talents are you guys picking?
[T2121223,raynor] The split push build seems to be the only way to get decent value out of him now. He’s terrible into PvP since the huge damage nerf.
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Queue ARAM
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Get Raynor
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Execute Orders
At least until they fix the bug.
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The best tip I can give you right now is just don’t play him. The 10% nerf on his base AA damage hurt him too much. Wait until they buff him back to where he was.
The only thing that seems to work now is full split build, but at that point, just play Greymane instead. Greymane can pve just as much while still having insane pvp damage. Raynor pve build does nothing to heroes right now.
Pretty sure raynor took a huge hit in winrate (5% or more) someone said. Just play cassia, valla, or ZJ now
Okay I’m genuinely curious now, how was his PVP nerfed? Ace is just hard buffed and the Loan makes the stacking quest more viable in the early game
Global 9% AA damage nerf.
Ace in the Hole another 10% AA damage nerf.
His Q build exists with that talent, but it’s not great.
Veteran Marksman is mediocre at best.
From Dia+ SL stats comparing this patch to the last one, he lost 6% physical damage, 4% spell damage and 7.74% win rate.
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Old:
Passive: Deal 10% more damage to Stunned or Slowed Heroes.
Enemy Heroes hit by Give 'Em Some Pepper are Slowed by 10% for 2.5 seconds.
New:
Enemy Heroes hit by Give 'Em Some Pepper are Slowed by 10% for 2.5 seconds. Penetrating Round deals 25% more damage to Stunned and Slowed Heroes.
25% damage on Penetrating Round instead of 10% damage with everything is “hard buffed”?
They nerfed his basic attack damage by ~9% and his Penetrating Round damage by ~14%. Because of this, even with Ace in the Hole against slowed heroes, his Penetrating Round only does ~2% more than it did before, meanwhile his basic attacks do ~17% less.
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I find the attempt to compensate for his AA loss by buffing his Q mindboggling; His Q is a defensive move primarily, I hold off on using it in a teamfight except to confirm a kill against a runner, because the second you use that you’re dead to a dive.
They seem to be trying to move him towards relying more on skillshot type damage by nerfing his AA and buffing his Q’s damage, but its doing too much double duty that way.
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They nerfed the damage of his Q too. They did reduce the cooldown from 10 seconds to 9, but even using it off cooldown has lower dps than before.
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He’s got a new Inspire uptime trick.
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he has a 6 second death timer at level 20.
Just wait for the reports to start coming in.
Also interested… I’ve been sitting at a 80%+ winrate with Raynor, but haven’t touched him since the rework (tried the PTR).
And yes, I almost exclusively went “sidelane-Inspire/Adrenaline Rush” build.
as an aram player i’d just recommend people not to pick him
unless you literally have nothing else but valeera and samuro.
i’ve tried pepper build, i’ve tried Q build, i’ve even tried W/E build (which was ‘OK’ in a healerless match)
but he just doesn’t seem to be as good as he was, and he was only ever mid tier before.
hoping they fix the execute orders bug though
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Play with sylvanas or play greymane. He is much more effiecient then the current raynor
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Interesting. Looks like devs were scared that the 60% extra damage from the loan talent would make him op, so they tuned him down… maybe they should just give him the old AA damage back and he would shine again?
That’s only in ARAM. It’s 30 seconds in every other mode.
Still good to me, when all others (except Murky, Vikings or Cho’gall) have death timers around 1 minute. I mean we can meme him as a big minion again, because he has literally the same spawn time like a minion. 
I’ve been having decent success with a similar macro focused build too. I go banshee instead for his heroic, so that they can add more damage, while providing some tanking when I go for bruiser camps.
Also, for enemies that are slow to respond, I think banshee does more over time damage to structures than Hyperion with the cannon.
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Yes, dont play him 
. He is ruined now, pick Tychus