The funny thing is that Surfalopod is also crippling the deck by forcing them to run a whole bunch of cards that drop the win rate of the deck.
The card is very much like Reno. He’s a blowout card with a harsh deck building restriction that’s borderline not worth following to use it. In that sense it’s fine that Surfalopod is a high win rate, because it’s tempered by half the deck having a negative drawn win rate in order to use it.
Skyla is just too fast with coin generation though.
Well, that makes cents.
I think you mean Witchwood and I loved it, so many great Priest cards in that expansion.
They very much wooshed on that one lol
You do realize that these cards play complementary purposes in the deck right?
As in, skyla or king tide are the cards that are required to start the chain of mana cheat, and con man is there to give repeated value.
That means, obviously the enabling cards like skyla are critical obviously, and in some matchups like aggro are generally enough to be played once to cement a win, whereas con man is needed to punish slower matchups where they have more answers.
It’s really where this deck belongs. Should be be strong vs everything, or just aggro or control. I don’t play the game right now, but my understanding is it’s strong vs everything, and that’s not possible without conman.
I swear to god, if they showed you data that showed heart attacks cause car crashes, because every case of a heart attack in a driver nearly always causes a crash, you’d believe it cause the data says so. There’s something called context when interpreting data.
I played against this deck in Wild today.
No wonder everyone hates it. It is designed to be hated.
Team 5 has once again saddled mage with something so stupidly broken that all other players will scream for it to be killed, and when it is, then they can go back to their usual pandering for Druid, Shaman, and Pally, all the while pointing to this abomination to claim they aren’t biased at all.
What a joke.
I wouldn’t be shocked one bit if they nerfed like one or two cards in the next patch from the set and do a dozen buffs to cards.
What do you think you’re talking about?
A few years ago, I had my parked car totalled because a man had a heart attack while driving and his car drove into mine. I don’t have much data, so I can’t say that heart attacks are a major cause of car crashes, but yes, of course heart attacks cause car crashes. How is this your argument? Are you really saying that heart attacks don’t cause car crashes?
Sure but thats not what the content creator from the video above wants.
Man has some beef with buffs ,or its just outrage for the sake of it.
Blizzard is to blame for the state of the meta, you make a mini set with a bunch of boring cards no one wants to play and then give a bone to a class that has been starving and everyone acts all surprised with the result.
I could see this a mile away, and i said so here on this forum.
They are going to put Mage in its place and if they have time/will to do any work buff other sub par cards in the mini set.
That Surfalopod isn’t worth nerfing because it’s the reason big spell mage is not tier 1.
That’s a ridiculous position. Surfalopod is the second best card in the deck, only behind Skyla.
What are these bad cards you think BSM runs only because Surfalopod? Under the Sea? Watercolor Artist? Those are both good cards.
And it’s the correct position, as someone that has been running BSM since before the mini set launched at a way higher success rate than the old Surfalopod/Under the sea lists.
Reno is also often one of the top win rate cards in highlander decks, but the highlander decks are worse than other builds.
It comes with a deck building restriction that you can’t ignore when looking at those stats.
You can’t trade oils
You can’t run AoEs like heat wave for faster matchups
You can’t run cards like orb or Infinitize the Maxitude for value matchups.
Everything you’d want to run to beat big spell Mage’s bad matchups are blocked by Surfalopod and under the sea. It makes the deck less flexible and more reliant on the high roll. That’s what decks are exploiting to push BSM down to tier 3.
I’ve been doing quite well with big spell mage without those “best cards”
Yep. I confirm he hit top 500 with his homebrew BSM, completely different from the its’ meta counterpart
Ofc, Scrotie only sees the data. He doesn’t play and he doesn’t rely on intuition. How could he understand?
They most certainly dont make good points… this expansion + miniset went all in on mana cheat nonsense and it is was most certainly deliberate.
For the most part that is what sped up the game… when turn 10 is now turn 4 for most classes the game has pretty much become a mockery of itself.
We just need to accept that no one will agree with our position on this unless they physically see it themselves in game.
If you look at those who agree with us, they are the only ones who have ran into the deck or played with it.
Surfalopod and Under the Sea are hindering the deck and it’s painfully obvious to anyone who has tried running the alternative versions.
We’ve been saying this since BEFORE the mini set and it fell on deaf ears. Now, only a handful of people have seen the light.
Until some streamer finally picks it up and VS reports on it, it’s a lost cause.
Or just understanding that data analysis is only as good as the context in which you do it.
Smeet nailed it when he pointed out Reno is a top winrate card, in Reno decks, but those decks tend to be worse overall. That’s because cards winrates are all coupled. Analyzing each cards winrate in a vacuum is a dumb and pointless exercise.
At best the vacuum power-level determined of a card is proportional to its actual power-level in a certain deck, factoring in all possible other combinations of cards that could be played in its stead. At worst, its completely misleading.
I agree. I’ve built enough decks that I’ve taken to top 100 legend or near it to know that what smeet is reporting is EXACTLY the type of deck that is candidate to make that distance. It’s a strong deck, that understands its weakenesses and shores them up at the cost of a few percentages in its (perhaps already OP) strong matchups.
But I’m leaning on my experience in making this judgment, not even having played the game in a while.
Read: easy ticket to top 100.
Its an inefficiency in a market, exploit it before the meta adjusts to it for free wins.
No, I got it but it didn’t make sense since it wasn’t a bad xpac aside from Genn/Baku.
I played a lot of Evenlock and Odd Paladin. During Frozen Throne, Spell Hunter was my jam.
The solo content has gone downhill for sure.
I really miss the old minisets, where you got to go on an adventure and win cards, etc.