So if I immediately concede every single match BEFORE you, then I still have a 0% win rate.
So now we’re in a race to lose, where the winner is who loses first?
Do you not see how stupid that sounds?
But you do have one thing right from all of this: it is a lost cause to interact with you. So how about you just admit I’m right, and not respond back. I mean, that seems like the most logical course of action.
You don’t want to interact with me, so just move on without responding.
Then I will concede before you, nullifying your 0% winrate.
Please just accept the loss and being wrong, it’s an important step in the grieving process. Otherwise you’ll get stuck and I don’t wanna see you go through that.
You alright BORING?
You seem stressed…
Its definitely not a job tho…
YOU being on the forums for what 10 years now?
“Blizz would bever cheat you” or “Hehe… MTG got caught but we wo… uh We dont do that very same thing”
lol…
BORING.
Maybe your coven will let you out for a few to walk it off…
Maybe try watching some Youtube…
I hear Reynads new game is doing marvelous… lol.
Also Asmondgolds got a couple vids up this morning bout some Twitch drama and people noticing stuff…
The comment threads were uh… “neat” to say the least…
Some of you are confused. The Shuffle is a general mechanic that can not bring the same card back. But I guess you could claim they rig the cards that are couples; not the Legendaries that are only one; but if I were you I wouldn’t look for rigging into plain card draws because that would be easily detected by third parties (look for rigging in things that are mathematically approximately undetectable (e.g. MMR rigging))).
Which 3rd parties would that be?
They are all subsidiaries of the Bluzzard.
Hearthpwn?
icyveins? etc etc
All on the payroll with a vested interest in the game not dying.
Are those the compromised “3rd parties” u are referring to?
The ones making money off of and FROM Bluzzard?
Yeah they’re probably not the ones to ask if the games rigged or not.
It doesn’t matter even if that’s true. You don’t need the big names to do it. It’s statistically strong even if one single player collects stats (albeit they’ll need at least a few hundred games before they can start believing anything).
The problem is nobody can possibly offer you proof to contradict the conspiracy you accepted without proof to begin with.
You are literally asking us to disprove god, or disprove aliens, or disprove your personal opinion on crocs. Like, I don’t even know if you HAVE an opinion on crocs! But if you did, how the heck is ANYONE going to “show your error” on that?
You’re saying 1 and 1 makes orange. And you dismiss factual evidence (such as the fact YOU have no evidence) as “well you’re just on big gaming’s payroll.” It makes me pity you because I can’t possibly imagine anyone being this maldy for this long without it seeping into other aspects of their life. The nights are a little darker for you, than for others. The wind, a little colder. The air, a little more stale.
You should find a better way of living, but I know you’re just going to clap back in any myriad number of stereotypical ways because it’s the internet, and there are imaginary points to be won here. Maybe you can cash them in for a buck off tomorrow’s coffee.
Look dolt.
You dont EFF up 10s of billions of dollars.
And
10s of millions of daily players…
With honest supervision.
Its not called clownworld because honest people with integrity are calling the shots.
You dont get END TIMES PROPHECY from caring warm people.
YOU GET IT FROM VAMPIRES.
But, you do you.
You talk like a dog barks; incessantly and without purpose.
Wow…that was the best you got? That’s really where you’re at, mewing out childish insults because you can’t admit or face the fact you are wrong and lost the exchange? It’s not every day I’m impressed, but you’ve impressed me in a very sad, dismal way this day.
Because they know they would lose so many players once they show that it isn’t actually random.
As an I.T. person here is my example to you
You have two choices of lottery tickets
It’s unlikely they do anything too absurd but I know for sure they don’t do any “long term collection of the average win rate” even if they take into account the MMR of opponents. Someone mentioned the Elo rating system which should be enough to calculate the MMR of Hearthstone and I figured that one has a K factor that denotes how fast the MMR changes.
Something for certain is that if the MMR of this game is Elo-based or Elo-adjastent: the K factor is extremely high because it’s pretty obvious very short loss streaks very easily produce a win and vice versa.
Just more proven the point. The entire game is calculated to maintaining that 50% win ratio. It doesnt matter what deck you build the time you take into anything, the majority of cards in the collection are “hur dur…cast random crap!”
They are unable to actually balance, or make cards that require careful planning. Hell they just banned a card that was released, how many weeks ago?
And proves even further why you can have few but high mana cards in your deck, and yet they are somehow always there in your hand turn 1 and 2
They will never release the code because like is said, it will show everyone that it’s cheating.
The first statement is nothing negative. ALL games of this sort need an MMR that will eventually put you to ~50% win rate; the only exception is if you are literally Legend 1 material or rather better than even that; the point of those systems is to put you close to your skill level and hence that will mean ~50 win rate in most cases (eventually). Anything else is asking to just win no matter what which is just oppressive to others and not your right.
What I find sketchy is if they do extreme “accelerations” of the MMR: meaning they put you with extremely high probability to win after a small loss streak or extreme probability to lose after a small win streak, because that pushes aggressively for the “~50%” but it feels very disruptive and messy because you feel your opponents yo-yo between great and bad.
Maybe i don’t understand the jargon enough, but i have gotten dealt cards, returned them and gotten one (or more) of those cards back. decks did not have any duplicates.
If there is a system that is supposed to prevent that, it isn’t working. It isn’t unusual to get any of those cards back in 1-2 turns either.
No, it’s not because they would lose players, its because under the law, they are under no obligation to do so. That is why we will never see the code.
That’s a really bad example, though you do have a point in that people really DO believe what they can physically see, more readily than what is an abstract concept being explained.
For example, the lottery agency will almost never have just ONE top prize on their scratch tickets (and incidentally, they internally refer to THOSE as “instant tickets” because you “instantly draw” a loser or a winner - compared to Powerball, Keno, etc. where you have to wait for “the game” to play out). They’ll figure out well before they start the printing process, exactly how many prizes they’ll have and in what denominations (usually the min payout is the ticket price - this still counts as a win). Then they figure out how much money they’ll want to make, on average, assuming ALL tickets get sold.
THEN they start randomly casting those cards out. Sure, they don’t KNOW exactly when top prizes are printed out - but they do know there’s only 3 of them! And they know that even if the first one is printed as the very first ticket, SOME stores start from the BACK of the packs and work DOWN. While others may not put it out for WEEKS. Someone might buy that winner and throw it away, or lose it, or otherwise fail to cash it in. Usually, those things have internal end dates, and you only have 1 calendar year from said date (which you usually have to look online to find) or else you forfeit the prize you may have won.
The figure if a book contains 200 tickets and they cost $1 each, they’ll print around a thousand books and make around two hundred grand. Then they figure top prize is 10k, they’ll have 3 of those, and even if they print upwards of $80k worth of other winners in other denominations, even if ALL prizes are claimed, they still make almost 50% profit.
Spoiler alert: they NEVER have all prizes claimed. They’re only required to pull the packs prematurely if all TOP prizes are claimed. This means they often make MORE than 50%. But that’s enough about instant tickets. Point is that gamblers believe all SORTS of bogus crockpot theories.
I’ve heard it all in my time working convenience stores. “You gotta go for OLD games because the top prize is still out there and fewer tickets are left.” “You gotta go for NEW games because there’s a higher chance of ALL top prizes remaining.” “You gotta go for tickets ending in the closest odd number to the printed odds.” “You have to buy them one at a time because they never hit back-to-back.” “You have to buy until you hit and THEN buy the next one because they DO hit back-to-back.” “Never go for the holiday ones, they milk the seasonal amateurs.” “ALWAYS go for the holiday ones, they have bigger average payouts to generate hype.” I could go on forever.
Funny thing, though. Every single gambling addict I’ve ever come across who has these theories… is dirt poor. Because they’re blowing their paycheck, week after week, day in, day out, convinced THIS theory of theirs will make them rich. Just, like, that very next one is gonna do it…
And that’s the power of uncertainty at work. We don’t know the odds so we invent patterns that don’t exist.
To make a short story long, the ONLY way to make this game TRULY random, is to NEVER balance a single goddarn thing. ANYTHING that gets balanced, ANY nerf, ANY change, is EXPLICITLY running counter to “free market with no intervention.”
We can either have our cake, or eat it. But never both. This game is NOT “random” but it’s also not “rigged” in the sense the tin-foil-hat gamblers are always claiming. Having a MMR trying to match win rates to get parity close to 50% isn’t “rigging” because it’s enforcing fairness. The alternative is a literal coin flip with no controls at all.
You spend a lot of time writing only to be wrong, on one hand it’s admirable and commendable, on the other hand it’s abundantly sad and I feel bad for you.
@aokighara lol because you know in your heart that the code is flawed.
@dimlhugion No, my point was a very valid example that seems to have gone over your head. So i’ll try to make it easier for you to understand. I stand in front of you. You can either take a notecard from me that has already been written on that says win or lose…OR You can choose for me to immediately write on a card win or lose.
Now…if i’ve been giving away money, i guess i’ll just write lose on the card for you. That’s the problem with MMR. Doesn’t matter what deck you have built. Especially in this game where almost everything is just based on RNG.
Play a titan that forces all enemies to attack each other (but then casts two random spells) that somehow also destroys your board…next turn opponent basically dominates and is an instant win for them.
The problem people here have, is if the source code was ever shown it would validate every single person’s thought of “Oh of course they just magically drew that card” Or the “Oh of course it picked that at random”
You all can sit there and be like “oh you are wrong, it doesn’t work that way”…well nice belief, but again source code would solve it all. Show us. If the game is really random, there is no harm at all.
You know, there was a day not even all that long ago, when I’d keep digging into the trenches on this. But I think instead I’m just going to wave the white flag on this one. I still think you’re wrong about this topic and that your demands are entirely unrealistic, but I also acknowledge the fact that neither of us will change each other’s mind. So, I’m stepping down from this hill. Have a great rest of your weekend.