You do realise that for every person getting bad matchup, there is another person getting a good one, right? Those who are “lucky” don’t have the need to complain on the forums. Aside from the occasional “please remove concede, I need to revel in my victory” rants.
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That’s what I mean as well. If only the I-believe-the-game-is-rigged people would understand this…
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Very sneaky of you, bribing Blizzard techs without even being aware of doing so.
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ya not all of us are streamers who get paid to play this game 8 hours a day and buy 300+ on day one
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the idea of a deck matching algorithm is a paradox.
You get matched against your counter, BUT if there is an algorithm it would actually match your counter against its counter, in a loop until the deck that your deck counter is matched against you, but you are only getting matched against your counter.
So no one gets matched and you never play a match as there is no way to breakout of this loop.
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I made a Blood of G’huun Priest deck and the first 2 matches were against 1 Mage with 4 Polymorphs and 1 Shaman with 3 Hexes.
I mean… com’on… who put Polymorph and Hex in their deck these days. Give me a break man…
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no one puts 4 or 3 of anything in a deck. Did they pick them all from discover mechanics, yep because priest loves to play deathrattle stuff or reborn stuff etc.
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Don’t even reply to the people defending blizzard on this, they just rattle the same nonsense. Absolutely they match to keep your ranking slow, they manipulate card draw as well. The winner is basically decided on the matchup unless the player absolutely throws the game.
Heck, even the RNG, why do you think the casino mages do so good? By average, random spells should be neutral with some good some bad, but it’s almost always very good.
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yes, lets make an algorithm that can determine the most optimal/suboptimal draws at any point in the game, for every deck against every matchup. it should be really cheap and simple to develop and maintain it, it will after all make a few players buy a few more packs… the only issue that if you are in possession of such a code then you can earn sooo much more money in other fields than just rigging hs as you have just developed a super intelligent ai, heck you might even get the noble prize for such a discovery
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Nice try, but they made Zephrys, so the algorythm already exists. It doesn’t have to be perfect to work as intended. And there is certainly way less cards in deck than Zephrys can offer. So the calculation is easier than the one Zephrys uses.
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I love these topics. So much fun goes on inside them. Especially when it damages the fragile egos of the white knight posse 
That said…
Making an algorithm for entire deck archetypes is unnecessary. Each card is already tagged in the system and it already tries to adjust in formats like Arena and Duels. The system tries to give you offerings that make sense to your previous choices and other things.
So what does that mean? Well simply put it means that the ability to match people based on a few cards in each deck is absolutely possible and easy to do. However they do not control two important factors:
- What cards people are playing in your current pool
- What card people choose to play from their hand
The first is taken care of by hidding the ranks of lower level players and using the entire available pool to increase “difficulty” by having you face players on similar win/loss streaks so you, without being limited by say gold rank 5 being matched against platinum rank 2. This is normally done through MMR however more and more people are reaching the “legend” level because of the grossly broken decks that people play hard until nerfs and the fact that many casual players are moving to more rewarding games. So now, I assume they use a modified MMR to deal with smaller pools in the lower ranks. This last part is an assumption, as there is no way to prove it without the new missing ranks.
So that leaves what to play and when. Thank you websites and streamers and the human ability to generally look for the easiest path of completion. Just go to the website of your choosing, copy the deck configuration, read the play notes and voila… you now have them playing the cards like zombies. It’s not perfect but it keeps e-sports alive.
I will say this. I get these feelings too. Like the game just hates me. Then I look at how many games I’ve actually played that day and it ends up being like 3 or 4, when it felt like I’ve just played 10. BTW: I HATE RESURRECTIONS! Stupid priests…
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Zeph has a very small pool to deal with so he doesn’t make a good example. You can game him to give you what you want as well. But I understand why you would draw that comparison. Look at how the arena and duels decide what cards to offer. Then you’ll have a more close example of how the game can finess card draws and match ups. 
If the game is set to feed people losses regardless of the plays they make, how come the same players continue to hit the top ranks of legend over and over and over again each month
A particular streamer I watch has been top 100 legend every single month I watch him at. This would require above a 50% winrate consistently, which the game should be forcing him not to have
In addition, these people post their winrates with a particular deck. His last video I saw his deck had a 78% winrate, and over a large sample size of close to 40 games total. How is this possible, if the game is forcing him to have a 50% winrate??
Technically the game actually is rigged to help everyone climb by using bonus stars. Keep in mind, if it were truly to be “balanced” win/loss chance, then either bonus stars would have to be taken out or there would have to be “bonus star losses” where if you lose multiple times in a row, you lose multiple stars per loss
that algorithm is nowhere close to what you need to correctly match decks based on specific cards. zephrys just has a lot of decision trees based on keywords, stats, number of minions, mana etc, he cant read cards or in any way understand anything outside of the specified parameters which would be needed to “rigg” the game. but you are paid at the same level as top paid CEOs, so you should know that aswell as how to do critical analysis of data
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So, you know exactly how Zephrys works. Interesting. Looks like I was right again.
Also, you are correct, those algorythms are not close. The matchmaking one is simpler. And far from perfect. Otherwise, people with better than 50% winrates wouldn’t exist. But it doesn’t need to be perfect to work as intended.
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No idea. I never made that claim. Maybe you think I’m someone else in this thread? Or need to quote them in your reply directly? IDK. Not really sure how the rest of your reply to my post relates either. C’est la vie. I only showed that rigging possible, whether it’s probable is a whole other story. The whole 50/50 win rate thing can be used in the match up process however it still doesn’t fix people making sub-optimal plays more often than others.
If we gave everyone the same deck and went round robin style, winners play winners and losers play losers, then it all comes down to two things: Card draw and of course knowing when to play the cards.
Card draw is in the full control of the developers and their chosen programming method to get the RNG feel.
Knowing when to play what, including mulligans, takes experience and the attention span required to learn the most likely cards in the opponents deck, how you can counter them and how to force them when you want vs letting your opponent have control. This is where the pros shine. They learn it early and abuse the decks before they even go live. Once they hit the rest of us, they’ve already mastered what’s coming. In fact they are the ones who told everyone how to build the decks in the first place… but this is becoming a novel.
Hey Pev, Celebs play WoW too. As do many other very well off folks that make far more than we peons can dream. Never know who you’re chatting with here I suppose. Have you not watched tabloid TV? Some celebs are just wacko.
We all do. It was published at it’s release, if I remember correctly. Peverin and I aren’t often on the same side of things but Zephrys is not a great example of functional in-game rigging by far.
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they sure do, but most of them have brains enough to not spread random conspiracy theories in forums as it tends to be unearthed by people who have nothing better to do than trying to hack different databases
What it does, and how exactly it does it are 2 very different things.
I don’t know about that one. I wouldn’t say “most”… I would be more tempted to say that they are the worst violators on disinformation in the real world. But that’s a whole other debate. lol
The information is harmless here. In my opinion of course that is.
What is the worst thing that an in-game conspiracy theory do? People might quit? People might try to form a class action lawsuit? I don’t mind the later. It’s a win/win for us as the result will shut both sides up.
Let the kids play. I think people like you and I keep these threads going longer than the tinfoil.
Too lazy to look it up myself again. I will say that all the problems with Zeph still make it a poor example