So the message is dont bother playing?

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So basically dont bother playing standard format unless you got the warlock or mage questline cards in your packs right?

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or just play DH, rouge, paladin, hunter, or shaman, all which are also performing fairly well. just avoid priest and warrior for now

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None of those classes stands a chance against quest lock, and only a few of those stand a chance against quest mage if the mage has bad luck with ignite draws

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i mentioned all of them because they can all out-pace warlock if you know what you are doing, same against mage. if you on the other hand hope to just take a slow “lets see what happends”-game then you are screwed, you need to have a gameplan from turn 1.

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Sorry but you are incorrect.

There is no “rushing down” warlock. They have lifesteal damage out the whazoo and can complete their quest insanely fast and faster still if they draw stealer of souls.

If the warlock gets extremely unlucky and doesnt draw any of their lifesteal cards then maybe, but otherwise no class can “rush them down” and trying to hide it behind “if you know what you are doing” doesnt change the fact that it is an incorrect statment.

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You are incorrect, you absolutely can rush down Warlock given their quest forces them to hurt themselves. Bleed Rogue for example can blow up Quest Warlock easier than most since you play few minions, ergo most of their healing can’t be used conventionally (this also goes hand in hand with unstable shadow blast where they can’t use it without having to use it on one of their own minions which slows them down even more), and they lower than own health for you. DH has a lot of direct face damage and reloads on that damage with Jace while again not giving the Warlock minions to ping their lifesteal and damage spells off of.

While I agree that the Warlock Quest and Mage Quest are both overtuned and should be nerfed a little, to pretend they can’t be beat “except by bad draw” is simply absurd.

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ofc there is, you would be surprise how tight their decision windows are if you arent giving them time to do what they prefer to do. they can either remove your board or advance their quest, if they go for healing removal they dont progress the quest, if they go for damage removal then they are droping in health. also, their stealer turns often consume a lot of hp if they try to advance the quest several steps.

but if you give them time to play their weapon on 3 into backfire on 4 without fear of getting punished, then yes, you are def losing.

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They make the time. Again they can heal and damage themsleves simlutaniously with pretty easy mana costs.

You say “well dont play minions” great then they simply life steal off their own.

You say soul stealer consumes a lot of health, well yea and they get it all back because stage 1 and 2 of the quest heal them back with life steal.

They can remove the board and advance their quest…in fact there are cards that do just that (damage minions and damage them)

Give them time…lol you think its a choice.

If by a little you mean by a lot then yes

Except its not.

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if all your claims were true and based on facts, then can you please explain how i have a 6-9 record vs paladin with questlock over 90 games in top 500? that score should resonably be 15-0 the way you argues

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I already told you in detail how your statement is absurd. If you think a proper rebuttal is to just say “nuh uh” than you’re merely delusional.

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Sure here are a few explanations

  1. You are lying (not accusing outright but the truth is I have no way of knowing if you are not just making those numbers up)

  2. You are 1 person and thus the sample variance is pretty bad. You could just not know how to play the lock quest or not have all the cards that make it optimal.

  3. Bad draws (as I said usually the only reason a lot loses)

  4. Paladin got good draws (kinda related to #3 but on the opposite end)

We can start with those if you like.

You stated the same thing Peverin did so I decided not to restate my points a second time because I already did so with the other guy.

Sorry I did not tailor make a response that you feel so entitled to.

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https://gyazo.com/cd3e40c8d6ca705e424a08ed371b0061

trust me, i have all the cards. and i do know how to play the deck.

again false, if competent player (which top 500 players tend to be) knows to apply early pressure to force me to choose the warlock to choose between removing board or advance their own quest gameplan. if you play for board you will eventually be in a situation where you have used most of your removal and is still only on the 2nd stage of the quest at most, or you went for advancing the quest and then there is always the threat of just getting killed by conviction + battlemaster.

and as you can see, paladin can without issues take games against other otk decks aswell

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I actually didn’t state the same. I gave more detail and concise examples. Which you ignored because you know I’m right.

GG no RE.

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I dont, sorry but again its just too easy for people to make stuff up here for me to trust everyone

Once again not hard to manipulate a screenshot.

Even still I like how (assuming this is true) the only classes your lock lost against were mage and paladin…yet the DH, Rogue, hunter and shaman you mentioned in your previous post were all losing to the lock…interesting.

Sorry but again you are 1 person who we has to trust is telling the truth.

So assuming you are that still does not prove anything other than you possibly dont know how to make or play a warlock deck optimally.

But if you want anecdotal here is one:

I JUST played against a quest lock as a quest druid and they were able to not only build a board but also damage and heal themselves up to complete the quest on turn 7. Ever minion they played damaged them (and some damaged me as well kinfe vendor for instance) and then they were able to life steal of their own minions (since my deck only has 2) to keep themselves up even when I bashed their face.

Now yes I could be lying (same rules apply to me as to you) but if you want us to assume you are telling the truth then…well same rules apply.

And this is EVERY game with EVERY class. No matter what happens the lock is in control because they can do everything all at once.

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rofl. first you accuse me of lying, i give you proof, then you accuse me of manipulating the screenshot because you dont like what you saw. grow up kid and accept that you were wrong. ofc i beat the DH and hunter. it was deathrattle DH and quest hunter (accept it, its bad). you lose vs OTK DH and aggro shaman. vs rouge im 4-3 so whats the issue?

nice, thats a free win for any competent warlock player. its soo easy to deny any progress on the quest that its a joke how easy its to beat it.

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I’m only playing priest currently. The only viable class in this mess.

https://hsreplay.net/replay/GawnNx8rPvr2WimwBaPLjE
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I didnt accuse you, I am just saying there is no way of knowing if you are telling the truth or not.

Are you really saying that no one in the history of the internet has manipulated a screenshot to make a point? Really?

Funny because the only win I had against a quest lock was as a quest druid once.

But again this just shows that you are one person with one set of data (if true)

Browsing any hearthstone forum and you will see people saying how unfair Quest Warlock is.

So you can spout how its fine and L2P and all that, but in the end I will be prove correct when they nerf it (hopefully heavily).

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Just ignore him. He’s just the forums damage control.

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I’m having a blast with ressurect priest in wild - nothing like getting the Sword of thousand truths on turn 5 xD Feeling porky!

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how have you already played 90 games since release…my god get a girl friend or something stop wasting ur life away with this worthless time and money suck of a game.