I have been hearing a great deal about lamplighter, and also that the card is all that allows mage to be playable.
If the card is nerfed, does mage have any sort of fallback deck?
Does mage always have to rely on toxic strategy to be a good deck?
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Depends on the nerf.
4 mana?
Sure it does.
Some dumb BS like not targeting heroes ,more mana cost or whatever?
No.
And yes. 4 mana is more likely.
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Actually, another change would be that it deal it’s damage randomly, spread amongst all enemy, either one by one like Astalor does, or consolidated damage on targets like Denatrius. On an empty board it makes no difference, but if the board not empty, minions can soak some of the damage.
The advantage is it could be used as a control tool to clear the board, rather than a finisher.
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They don’t.
The objective is use the card as finisher and while the deck is tier 1 we have many other stuff doing the exact same thing.
There is even priests playing elementals.
For control use many cards that are arguably better already exist and this would get just excluded.
Anyway want to talk about fair gaming nowadays is like trying to talk with a door.
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Astalor was a finisher, it still deals damage among all enemy.
Imagine astalor dealing a targeted 14 to face directly, or perhaps 2*7 with manathirst. Although i’m sure paladin and mage would love it.
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They should just make it HALVE the number for the “each turn in a row” when it is played. So you play it once and it deals whatever, 10 damage, but shadowstep it and play it again? Now it deals 5 damage. Idk how they word this or implement it but this is the actual nerf/change it/the game needs.
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Don’t need to imagine.
You’re playing against a deck with almost literal 0 spell support playing tribal cards on top of it.
It is a deck with a very obvious flaw and any decent nerf will just be a mana hit to take the classes that should not play elementals out of it.
lamplighter is not a mage card, it’s neutral. Other class are taking advantage of the card, perhaps in an even more obnoxious way.
I am not sure, but when people complain about Lamplighter, many don’t have elemental mage in mind.
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And hitting it with a mana nerf is enough to weaken the neutral package.
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It should be 5 mana then, not 4.
At 4 mana, you can lamp + brew + lamp, at 5 mana you no longer can
Same for rogue, at 4 mana, a rogue can lamp + step + lamp + step + lamp on turn 8. At 5 mana he can’t.
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4 is enough.
Lamplight rogue is a literal low tier 2 deck. The instant this goes to 4 the deck is dead.
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Maybe not because of the discount. Of course you will need a turn to set up, but it could be played with sonya for 1 if the card goes up to 4 mana. It would only hurt the shadowstep combo.
Wrong.
Players will literally pay 1 mana more each time they play regardless with or without discount.
Cards we’re killed with far smaller nerfs than that.
Since rogue tries to bounce it far more than other classes it gets hit far harder than anyone else.
This is in fact enough to lamplight rogue go to meme status.
Maybe give it the Sire Denathrius treatment, but 2 turns gives +1 damage instead of 2 deaths = 1 infuse.
idk.
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At this point anyone discussing a nerf to Lamplighter only in the context of rogue is just being disingenuous tbh. The card is way too strong, period. The rogue deck is barely cutting it to tier 2 while elemental mage is chilling at t1 in most ranks. At 4 mana, elemental rogue dies but elemental mage is probably mostly unaffected. I’m not entirely sure this isn’t one of those cases where the card could use a text change. Being able to fireball/pyroblast the face on a stick is extremely good at 3 or at 4 mana. It’s a bit much.
Why cant a tribal deck be good with some inevitability? With all the other stuff in this game a turn 8 or 9 finisher isn’t even worth discussing… Mabye discuss how rogue can bounce it 40 times but the card itself is fine.
Its easy enough to counter by being full health / having armor. I am surprised that elemental shaman isnt better because skarr is really good.
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It doesn’t matter, the rogue deck is simply worse than elemental mage. It’s arguably even worse than elemental shaman with the right list.
The card itself is not fine. It has single-handedly brought any elemental deck from meme tier to the top of the meta and it is by a wide margin the best card in every deck it is in. It is simply too much.
It is strong more or less the amount necessary to have meta impact at all.
Anyone talking like it is a world destroyer taking the entire game by storm is just a little too impressed by how much people wanted to play elemental decks due to actual popularity.
A literal 1 mana nerf is enough to balance the card overall and anyone with minimal decency knows this.
Meh, I don’t disagree, I am just not sure 4 mana would really do much for non-rogue elemental decks. I could see elemental mage cutting the brewmasters at 4 mana I guess, which probably does impact some.