Actually most not even don’t disagree.
This is the crazy part. They really believe that it will 100% not backfire.
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Just wanted to add something huge here
This is the first meta that has been so fun for me I even have fun when I loose. So much interaction and choices going on esspecialy with rainbow DK rouge and mage.
Priest i love but i cant say im having as much fun when im loosing on that class. I do see some new opertunitys for wild with preist im about to explore. Cant wait to have the time but i need to hit legend in standard haha. Iv only been causualy keeping betwen d1 t 500 in wild recently.
I quit hs mostly but fore a game or 3 now in then when i went back to college after 19 years last semester and wasnt playing much at all before that because the game was in the worst state it was ever in. Legit solitare was more fun.
Hearthstone is supose to be a fast pased action CCG.
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What? Excuse me?
No, the crazy part is that you believe that anybody can understand your posts.
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Look…
There is a ton of people who don’t disagree that most stuff in this metagame is truly well balanced.
If you are one of those or not it really isn’t my problem. Just look around here and in other media. No need to believe in me.
What is even discussed is people not liking some play patterns and while that is completely fine to discuss people should not fall in the trap of wanting everything going back to chillwind era.
Druid needs some fine-tuning. Pirate Shaman, too. Warrior is fine. I know at least 2 counters.
We haven’t yet found all the broken combos, except Druid and Shaman.
Lamplighter isn’t that broken + it’s boring to play, so…
Wait a minute, I am going to blow your mind. You’re ready?
Most players do not reach legend!!!111!
I know, mind blown. In fact less than 1 percent of players reaches legend so basing any balance decisions on what is happening in Legend is silly. Well, unless you want the other 99% to stop playing.
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This isn’t true. You can go look at the stats for Flood Paladin and Handbuff Paladin at Legend and High Legend
It doesn’t drop off at all. It’s top deck and top class at ALL levels of play.
I don’t know where you’re getting that information from.
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I’ll tell you a story, I have known 2 games that started removing their lets say inner modes. 1 was in Diablo 3 and the other is this game, both owned by this company because they couldn’t control bots or hackers. I believe they want to shut this game down, look at the forums, so many angry people, they are going to remove more parts of this game until their players leave, so they don’t get sued. Now watch how quickly this post gets banned or removed or reported. One more thing they don’t care, they got your money. Travesty against real gamer’s and programmers.
What nonsense you should not read on this forum…
But everyone knows that there are always trolls on the internet.
I’ll take sarcasm over vitriol any day.
Yeah, this is not great.
He has almost always been spot on with his analysis. Why they havent offered him the top designer spot is beyond me. Or they probably have and he’s just content in his lil ccg streaming corner of the web, and i respect that. I do recall theyve (and other ccg devs) tapped him for balance thoughts before, at least.
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I stand corrected and applogize. It was so much lower on thie list i must have over looked it but when i saw it last it win rate was far less than it is now.
… well oops i looked again looks like it changed a bit since i looked last the other thing is its lower on the chart because it shows the play rate is around half of other ckasses in decks in legend.
It really dont feal that strong to me. It could be because Im playing decks abd classes that do well against it. Raindow DK.
You really do feel bent over a barrel. Its wild ill have complete control over the board rogue is cleary on its last stretch and her comes the lamplighter combo.
Im ok with it though. I would rather deal with that than 20 dmg to face from a warrior buffing up armor …
But overall I would rather deal with that then seeing rogue not have a decent deck right now and screw up the balance we have stats wise.
Same here bro legend is far more than 1%…
Im not dissagreeing that it is the smaler part of the player base though.
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I don’t win anymore because no matter what deck I played, your opponent has zillia deck or has a burst deck that kills you within 5 turns.
Not sure where you find warriors who wipe everything, armor up as hell, then otk you.
Every warrior I see spams zilliax and I usually concede if I can’t easily remove the 1st one or if the resurrection waves start. I can’t be bothered to play a 40 minute zilliax mirror or something grindy like that so I’ve just been playing agro/midrange decks that win or lose before the stupidity begins heh.
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And that’s the long and the short of the problem with shadowstep.
No one else can have nice things because rogue is abusing them. That’s fundamentally not fair.
I really don’t like dual class cards for this reason - one class always does better with it and the other class gets shafted because of it - where rogue is breaking mage’s nice things.
I don’t have a big issue with lamplighter, but I don’t like the way rogue is abusing it. The correct choice is to fix rogue, not other classes.
This is all well and good, but you understand all you’re doing is making paladin broken again if you leave it out of the balance discussion.
I expect them to really only touch one or two things because the meta is not as awful as the chicken little crowd wants us to believe.
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At this point if they do anything beyond fixing the infinite Zilliax, Concierge(not less than 1) and making Lamplighter 4 it’s a mistake. Doing those three things allow a whole bunch of decks that are currently unplayable into the meta. I would prefer they do that then wait two weeks and see if more needs adjusted.
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But objectively, the data clearly shows lamplighter rogue is nor overpowered nor the best deck using lamplighter. Isn’t that showing rogue isn’t actually abusing or breaking anything? The reason why lamplighter rogue gets way more hate and attention than elemental mage despite being a clearly worse deck is because it is a combo/otk deck. And a lot of people hate otk decks, simple as that.
Rogue balances its very strong ability to bounce cards and mana cheat with a lack of board management or survivability. That’s a cornerstone of its identity: being weak but resourceful (card generation), quick (draw) and griefingly spamming annoying or powerful moves (battlecries). It’s always been like that and some people hate it for it, others love it. Shadowstep is not really a balance issue but a sentiment one. And Lamplighter is simply a broken card in every deck it is used in.
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Call a finisher broken because it end games is exagerrating it.
What happened is that due to lamplighter existence the critical mass of damage needed to end a hearthstone match was reach.
Making all previous elemental cards finally have “a plan”.
Rogue is reaching that critical mass in a different way and annoying people.
With all that said. The elemental decks are tier 1 now so we have a margin to work with.
What we can’t do is nuke things from orbit with nerfs.
Lamplighter is really the case of a 1 mana nerf(rogue play it more times per game than any other class) but wanna act like it is the end of the world.
If people wanna react like this then i personally want southsea deckhand to Go to wild because the plan is more or less the same in handbuff paladin finisher.
Maybe that even stop mage and Shaman players from trying to imitate rogue with the brewmaster.
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I’m not one of those people.
It’s way past time for shadow step to not be in standard.
It’s too fast when it goes off.
I’d rather see them leave the mana alone and have the effect reset when you bounce it, making that strategy less effective.
According to VS the top two decks in the format at top 1k legend are Paladin decks.
We all know how much top 1k hates to play paladin, so if its bad enough to see play at that rank, any balance discussion better start with paladin adjustments.
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Lol, sued for what? Enlighten please.